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sleeping gas in open space
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2017-06-18 at 10:41 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-06-18 at 10:44 AM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic do you morons really believe that urban legend of people incapacitating people immediately by blowing scopolamine powder in their face? if you do then im sorry but you're too dumb and incapable of logical thought to be here
I mean I've been told "there's no such thing as sleeping gas" which seems believable but what part of "logical thought" points to this? I've never really thought about the problem but railing something like stimulants kicks in pretty fast. A sedative with a low risk of overdose administered as a gas seems like it should reasonably work like a knockout gas. I mean maybe no such sedative exists, but I hardly think that's a fact knowable a priori -
2017-06-18 at 10:45 AM UTC
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2017-06-18 at 10:49 AM UTCthe russians did it somehow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
Spetsnaz operators from Federal Security Service (FSB) beta and Vega Groups, supported by a Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) SOBR unit, pumped an undisclosed chemical agent into the building's ventilation system and began the rescue operation.[1]
All 40 of the attackers were killed,[2] with no casualties among Spetsnaz; about 130 hostages died, including nine foreigners, due to adverse reactions to the gas.[2] All but two of the hostages who died during the siege were killed by the toxic substance pumped into the theater to subdue the militants.[3][4] The use of the gas was widely condemned as heavy-handed, but the American and British governments deemed Russia's actions justifiable.[5] Physicians in Moscow condemned the refusal to disclose the identity of the gas. Some reports said the drug naloxone was successfully used as an antidote to save some hostages, suggesting the gas was an opiate-based compound.[6]
so it is possible. not saying it isn't dangerous shit tho.
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2017-06-18 at 1:22 PM UTC
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2017-06-18 at 1:24 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny I mean I've been told "there's no such thing as sleeping gas" which seems believable but what part of "logical thought" points to this? I've never really thought about the problem but railing something like stimulants kicks in pretty fast. A sedative with a low risk of overdose administered as a gas seems like it should reasonably work like a knockout gas. I mean maybe no such sedative exists, but I hardly think that's a fact knowable a priori
thats the point...no such thing exists -
2017-06-18 at 6:14 PM UTCStay up off the ground. It steals heat.
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2017-06-18 at 6:25 PM UTC
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2017-06-18 at 6:30 PM UTCI think the more correct term would be knock-out gas, rather than sleeping gas.
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2017-06-18 at 6:58 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist you are talking out your ass mate. sleeping gas exists, administering it via the atmosphere tho is extremely tricky. you have no control over how much the subject breathes in, so overdose is very likely.
my statement was in regards to the way the term 'sleeping gas' was depicted in the various posts, including the OP, in this thread. based on that, no, sleeping gas does not exist. fact: there is no such thing as sleeping gas. go ahead and use the russian theater as an example because that will verify my statement even further. based on the fatalities the gas they used wasnt 'sleeping gas' considering how many of them never woke up, as is a follow through to my statement made in an earlier post of 'non-toxic.' additionally...it wasnt a gas, it was an aerosol...but i concede that is getting a bit nitpicky.
stfu, retard...you have no ideal about human physiology interactions with pharmaceuticals.
i really want to say no one on this site has the experience in this topic that i do...and im fairly sure i said it in a thread discussing that s.america thing where 'they' were allegedly going around puffing dust into peoples faces then zombie-enslaving them...so pretend im saying it now, and stfu or i will have to use my own first hand knowledge to, as so eloquently stated by that vermin-infested-cunt dope fiend, use my grain-silo-sized e-cock to throttle you into a puddle of gelatinous human yoghurt. -
2017-06-19 at 8:43 AM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock my statement was in regards to the way the term 'sleeping gas' was depicted in the various posts, including the OP, in this thread. based on that, no, sleeping gas does not exist. fact: there is no such thing as sleeping gas. go ahead and use the russian theater as an example because that will verify my statement even further. based on the fatalities the gas they used wasnt 'sleeping gas' considering how many of them never woke up, as is a follow through to my statement made in an earlier post of 'non-toxic.' additionally…it wasnt a gas, it was an aerosol…but i concede that is getting a bit nitpicky.
stfu, retard…you have no ideal about human physiology interactions with pharmaceuticals.
i really want to say no one on this site has the experience in this topic that i do…and im fairly sure i said it in a thread discussing that s.america thing where 'they' were allegedly going around puffing dust into peoples faces then zombie-enslaving them…so pretend im saying it now, and stfu or i will have to use my own first hand knowledge to, as so eloquently stated by that vermin-infested-cunt dope fiend, use my grain-silo-sized e-cock to throttle you into a puddle of gelatinous human yoghurt.
scopolamine isn't a gas its a powder. however smoke is a gas which means thc can be made into a gas that would put you asleep if the dose was high enough, so would heroin which is often smoked, although technically its a vapour which is still a gaseous form. many other sedative drugs can be smoked, so considering that 'sleeping gas' does exist. as i said tho, dosing somebody through the atmosphere is very very tricky.
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2017-06-19 at 8:44 AM UTCcarbon monoxide would also put you to sleep by the way. but again is likely to overdose very easily.
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2017-06-19 at 8:46 AM UTClol, weaponized THC sounds funny.
"oh shit bro, we could continue to hold these hostages, OR we could watch some cartoons" -
2017-06-19 at 9 AM UTC
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2017-06-19 at 12:11 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist scopolamine isn't a gas its a powder. however smoke is a gas which means thc can be made into a gas that would put you asleep if the dose was high enough, so would heroin which is often smoked, although technically its a vapour which is still a gaseous form. many other sedative drugs can be smoked, so considering that 'sleeping gas' does exist. as i said tho, dosing somebody through the atmosphere is very very tricky
the only fact that youve succeeded in pointing out is that you're an idiot. -
2017-06-19 at 12:27 PM UTCare you saying they are liquids or solids?
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2017-06-19 at 3:20 PM UTC
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2017-06-19 at 3:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny lol, weaponized THC sounds funny.
"oh shit bro, we could continue to hold these hostages, OR we could watch some cartoons"
I dunno, the term assassin was supposed to come from people who used hashish to be able to kill without overthinking, could well have the opposite effect you're looking for -
2017-06-19 at 3:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny I mean I've been told "there's no such thing as sleeping gas" which seems believable but what part of "logical thought" points to this? I've never really thought about the problem but railing something like stimulants kicks in pretty fast. A sedative with a low risk of overdose administered as a gas seems like it should reasonably work like a knockout gas. I mean maybe no such sedative exists, but I hardly think that's a fact knowable a priori
I wasn't talking about sleeping gas, I was talking about scopolamine. Something like sleeping gas could exist. In fact I'm pretty sure I read about aerosolized fentanyl being used to resolve a hostage situation in Russia. -
2017-06-19 at 3:30 PM UTCUsually, matter comes in only three states: liquid, solid and gas. The state "gas" is just a generalized term; it still represents specific compositions and/or specific labeling of specifically named substances. So I don't see the folly in calling it a gas, whatever it is. But to call it "sleeping gas" would be a stretch, because you're not really sleeping. You are unconscious. There's a difference been an unconscious state and a sleeping state. For example, death is a state of unconsciousness, but you can't be just sleeping and dead.
