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We are all responsible for the global holocaust
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2017-04-05 at 11:58 AM UTCI absolutely hate philosophy, especially ethics, so I didn't read a single post in this thread.
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2017-04-05 at 12:09 PM UTCWait so is this an actual Holocaust or just another one that didn't really happen
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2017-04-05 at 12:18 PM UTC
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2017-04-05 at 12:20 PM UTC
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2017-04-05 at 12:27 PM UTC
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2017-04-05 at 3:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon I didn't read almost any post in this thread beside the OP. I'm just here to weigh in my thoughts on the subject, because I have given it a lot of consideration.
The eating of meat has been essential in getting the human race to where it is right now. It is natural to eat meat. And despite being "unnatural", modern agriculture is fundamentally positive at the moment; we want to take care of our kind before we take care of some fuckwit cows and chickens.
But as a species that aspires to be something more and to progress, it is inarguable that the endgame should be to eliminate factory farming as it currently exists. It feels like morality from a god's-eye-view ultimately resolves into one simple point: minimize suffering.
The human species has technologically progressed to the point where we honestly do not need to eat meat. And at this point, the methane production from modern cattle farming has reached absolutely retarded levels, so we should probably be scaling back for our own good too. So the argument that essentially remains is "fuck you, I like meat". Well I do too. But I think that discussions like these are what will end up changing opinions from "I like meat" to "I like meat, but this is fucked up". If you have a shred of empathy and humanity, an actual visit to a cattle farming operation can be pretty moving.
The treatment of animals in these plants is absolutely appalling. But why should that matter, right? They're just stupid animals. I used to be pretty fucking callous about "food" animals myself.
But if you spend some time with some cows and chickens and stuff, it quickly hits you how very alive these animals are… they feel affection and love, and happiness, and depression​.
And they feel fear.
I personally slaughter almost every animal I eat. And when you push the cow over and begin to saw open its jugular, you see it; the terror, the mortal anguish in its eyes as it realises that it is going to die. And with its last breaths, it struggles like no one you have seen struggling before. And then despairs, for it knows that it is struggling in vain, as the life leaves its eyes.
Anyone with some humanity that at some point, we will have to stop it.
Animal rights will be the next great civil rights frontier, I can almost guarantee that.
Side note: Until you can feel that, and kill an animal with your own two hands, and stomach that fear and anguish and pain before you eat your meat, you don't really deserve to eat meat. People have become too far removed from their food. Every animal I eat is raised ethically, personally selected by me, and I slaughter it by hand (and a knife) before letting my butcher handle the rest. It really puts me into contact with exactly what I'm doing.
sorry are you really saying that cows shouldn't have to experience death? cuz it pretty much sounds like what you're saying there? -
2017-04-05 at 4:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist sorry are you really saying that cows shouldn't have to experience death? cuz it pretty much sounds like what you're saying there?
No, because everything HAS to experience death. Whether or not they should is irrelevant. But cows shouldn't have to experience being born in a metal crib, raised living their entire lives in a metal box being fed grains they can't properly digest in a dark box, then herded with electric prods through a misery production line towards a bolt to the brain. That's just bad juju.
It's kind of a weird suggestion but you should play Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee, it takes a look at factory farming by putting you into the shoes of an "animal". Great game too.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-04-05 at 6:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon No, because everything HAS to experience death. Whether or not they should is irrelevant. But cows shouldn't have to experience being born in a metal crib, raised living their entire lives in a metal box being fed grains they can't properly digest in a dark box, then herded with electric prods through a misery production line towards a bolt to the brain. That's just bad juju.
It's kind of a weird suggestion but you should play Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee, it takes a look at factory farming by putting you into the shoes of an "animal". Great game too.
That was a great game. -
2017-04-06 at 3:59 AM UTC
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2017-04-06 at 7:32 AM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon No, because everything HAS to experience death. Whether or not they should is irrelevant. But cows shouldn't have to experience being born in a metal crib, raised living their entire lives in a metal box being fed grains they can't properly digest in a dark box, then herded with electric prods through a misery production line towards a bolt to the brain. That's just bad juju.
It's kind of a weird suggestion but you should play Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee, it takes a look at factory farming by putting you into the shoes of an "animal". Great game too.
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2017-04-06 at 7:36 AM UTCKilling is the most crude method of survival. Technology will solve all these problems.
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2017-04-06 at 7:44 AM UTCI can't wait for genetic (and just regular) engineering to start growing real meat in labs. Imagine being able to just grow rolls of kobe beef, perfect every time. What a world that would be.
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2017-04-06 at 7:50 AM UTCEating is a function of lack of technology. The brain does not need a body, the soul does not need a mind.
