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Proof of the existence of God

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    Zanick #2 Houston [my concurrently tip-tilted dermestidae]
    In the late 11th century, the monk Anselm wrote his theological treatise Proslogion, in which he formulates an argument in favor of the existence of God to be used for the instruction of his brothers. The argument goes something like this:

    > God is that than which nothing greater can be conceived of, in your understanding.
    > Because you know what I'm talking about, the concept of that than which nothing greater can be thought is in within your understanding.
    > The only thing better than the possession of a perfect thing in your understanding is its existence in reality.
    > The real thing you have thought cannot possibly be greater than that than which nothing greater can be thought, it would be a logical contradiction as informed by its status as that than which nothing greater can be thought.
    > Therefore, that than which nothing greater can be thought must also exist in reality.

    What objections can be raised to this proof?

    Edited to include source text. Fuck, I'm too stoned to properly include pics.



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  2. #2
    The fact that you defined God as only something greater than your understanding.
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    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by greenplastic The fact that you defined God as only something greater than your understanding.

    How should God be defined?
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    Originally posted by Open Your Mind How should God be defined?

    I don't know, but defining something based on one characteristic isn't a sufficient definition. In this case, how do you even define god? It depends on what definition you are talking about, because there are a lot of ways that could be interpreted. But simply saying that a banana is yellow therefore this yellow object is a banana is insufficient
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    Zanick #2 Houston [my concurrently tip-tilted dermestidae]
    Originally posted by greenplastic The fact that you defined God as only something greater than your understanding.

    No, God is defined by Anselm as the greatest possible being which can be conceived in your understanding, or 'that than which nothing greater can be thought'.
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    I dont see that as a problem. My problem is that god seems to be a notion of understanding it is beyond human conception. While there is an argument to be made there it seems incomprehensive to me. A great many great things are beyond our grasp.
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    NARCassist gollums fat coach
    so you're saying god is a vagina then?
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    Originally posted by Rhymin Hymen I dont see that as a problem. My problem is that god seems to be a notion of understanding it is beyond human conception. While there is an argument to be made there it seems incomprehensive to me. A great many great things are beyond our grasp.

    Exactly.
  9. #9
    The biggest objection is that Anselm was a faggot
  10. #10
    Also the "proof" is a cleverly hidden tautology. The argument is essentially "God exists cuz he's perfect, so he's gotta exist trust me my nigga".
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    infinityshock Black Hole
    Originally posted by Zanick #2 In the late 11th century, the monk Anselm wrote his theological treatise Proslogion, in which he formulates an argument in favor of the existence of God to be used for the instruction of his brothers. The argument goes something like this:

    > God is that than which nothing greater can be conceived of, in your understanding.
    > Because you know what I'm talking about, the concept of that than which nothing greater can be thought is in within your understanding.
    > The only thing better than the possession of a perfect thing in your understanding is its existence in reality.
    > The real thing you have thought cannot possibly be greater than that than which nothing greater can be thought, it would be a logical contradiction as informed by its status as that than which nothing greater can be thought.
    > Therefore, that than which nothing greater can be thought must also exist in reality.

    What objections can be raised to this proof?

    I just googled a translation of that wall of garbage. i didnt read all 8 billion pages of it, but the portions i did read leads to the only plausible conclusion: the writer of that is a fucking retard with a mediocre grasp of big words and orienting them to confuse people who are easily impressionable.

    there is no god.
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    Originally posted by infinityshock I just googled a translation of that wall of garbage. i didnt read all 8 billion pages of it, but the portions i did read leads to the only plausible conclusion: the writer of that is a fucking retard with a mediocre grasp of big words and orienting them to confuse people who are easily impressionable.

    there is no god.

    Your analysis is bad and you should feel bad.

    Inb4 bill the clit begins a tirade of sexual inuendo that he believes cleverly hides his latent homosexuality.
  13. #13
    NARCassist gollums fat coach
    Lack of evidence to disprove does not equal proof.
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    Originally posted by NARCassist Lack of evidence to disprove does not equal proof.

    Are we just rehashing the burden of proof argument here?
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    NARCassist gollums fat coach
    pretty much yeah. but its relevent to this argument.

    oh, and its true.
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    mmQ Lisa Turtle
    Gods real the Bible tells me and I can feel Jesus in my heart
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  17. #17
    I think Bitchens aaid something like "that which can be asserted without any evidence, can be dismissed without any evidence" or some shit.
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    Originally posted by mmQ Gods real the Bible tells me and I can feel Jesus in my heart

    IRREFUTABLE
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    infinityshock Black Hole
    Originally posted by Rhymin Hymen Your analysis is bad and you should feel bad.

    Inb4 bill the clit begins a tirade of sexual inuendo that he believes cleverly hides his latent homosexuality.

    your crack-induced opinion on my facts is the epitome of retardation, you clueless gibbering faggot.

    nothing is being hidden. I really want to pulverize your tonsils with the head of my cock
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    infinityshock Black Hole
    Originally posted by Captain Falcon I think Bitchens aaid something like "that which can be asserted without any evidence, can be dismissed without any evidence" or some shit.

    hitchens.

    and...true
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