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So I relapsed...onnnnnnnn
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2023-10-07 at 7:27 PM UTCI don’t feel any kind of way about it, I was just asking. I don’t really understand addicts either because I naturally don’t have an addictive personality. I smoked for a while sometimes a pack a day for weeks at a time, sometimes a pack a month, and when I wanted to stop I stopped immediately. Same with drugs and alcohol, it’s never been a problem.
But I’ve known plenty of addicts some of them pretty well and most of them who are trying to stay sober and had been for a while would consider a relapse “kind of” a big deal. So I was just wondering what ur insight on it was.
I actually tend to agree with you I think addicts are mostly kind of weak willed pussies who only frame their lives in the addiction/sobriety dichotomy because they aren’t aware or capable of how else to get a HAMDLE on their lives because they have no self control or mental discipline, things that can be trained with the correct mindset that they lack the motivation to attain. -
2023-10-07 at 7:49 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox But I’ve known plenty of addicts some of them pretty well and most of them who are trying to stay sober and had been for a while would consider a relapse “kind of” a big deal.
I don't doubt it. It's talked up to be a pretty big fuckup, to the point where you don't even have to have stepped foot in a meeting for the term to have some weight. Relapses are kinda just generally understood to be 'kind of a big deal' in society at large. It's kind of... a momentous occasion. And that's exactly what I have a problem with. It's treated as the typa thing you might decide to make a life changing decision around, and rather than hoping the decision an addict makes is to reaffirm their quest for sobriety instead of giving up on it... it seems easier/better if we just treat it like it's not such a big deal.
Originally posted by Fox I actually tend to agree with you I think addicts are mostly kind of weak willed pussies who only frame their lives in the addiction/sobriety dichotomy because they aren’t aware or capable of how else to get a HAMDLE on their lives because they have no self control or mental discipline, things that can be trained with the correct mindset that they lack the motivation to attain.
I dunno if I'd go quite that far. Lord knows I do not have a hamdle on my life either. Well, I do - I'm successfully living how I wanna live, but self control and mental discipline don't really enter into how I wanna live. I stumbled ass backwards into a kind of serene enlightenment (not to say I'm Enlightened in any meaningful capacity, it's not a big thing) and just kinda vibe/operate off vibes. My issue with addicts is more... I legitimately can't tell if living like this is ultimately the best they can hope for. It might be. But I feel like they're missing the forest for the trees or vice versa on some stuff, maybe. I dunno. Like they could maybe be happier and healthier and still be just as sober with a couple small tweaks to their thinking, but it might be the case that I'm dead wrong about the 'just as sober' part of that. Maybe those small things I want to tweak are the same thing that makes recovery work, somehow. idk.
Also I think addicts are some of the most motivated people around. I've "joked" (it wasn't a joke) about wanting to get addicted to heroin because maybe it'd get me out there robbing cars to avoid feeling dopesick. And recovering addicts are doing everything in their power to not be out there robbing cars. That shit takes energy! I don't have that kind of energy. I have no motivation. -
2023-10-07 at 8:04 PM UTCCoca leaf is literally created by GOD given as a gift to humanity as a tool for anesthetic and altitutde sickness but in our ignorance and abuse we had to find replacements like novacaine which cannot be abused because we cannot handle the true secrets of cocaine analogs and tropene drugs in general as we only really understand cocaine
I mean look how much of a societal shift was caused by the "invention of crack cocaine" Which has actually probably existed throughout history in various forms
It was used by the aristocracy in their indulgent luxury lifestyles and powder wigs with their chocolates and cocaine and fine wines. Nowadays it's not seen the same but you still hear about hollywood elites having cocaine parties
and how many of them have a relationship with God and use substances to become closer to the spirit realm? They are using drugs for another reason, they are ABUSING them. I agree that drug abuse is generally not good but a lot of the modern understanding of why that is is based on non medically sound thinking.
If they actually cared they would get opiate addicts pure uncut heroin which when used in a safe setting is actually not harmful at all and very difficult to die from, it's not lethal. Yet society cannot live in harmony with drugs because it's evil there is no right way to hold down a 9-5 and abuse stimulants although some would say there is no way to keep up with society without taking so much various pills and powders and mood altering drugs TAKE A XANAX HERE TAKE A SNIFF OF THOSE OH YOUR HEAD HURTS EAT THIS PILL -
2023-10-07 at 8:06 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai Have made an effort to get sober when I was younger and abusing the shit out of every drug I could get my hands on, but never considered myself an Addict and never Relapsed in the NA/AA sense. That said I smoked meth every day for 18 months and haven't smoked any more in 3 months. I haven't done… basically any drugs in 3 months. Nicotine, I guess. So… y'know, fuck you if you wanna cry stolen addict valor or something, which is what it seems like. Seems like you've got your panties in a bunch because I said relapse isn't a big deal but if it makes you feel any better I wasn't saying it in a judgy way, like "lol worried about your relapse, pussy?" - I was saying it in a "it's okay, bud, don't catastrophize about it you can forgive yourself shit happens" kinda way.
That said: I STRAIGHT UP SAID I DON'T GET THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ADDICTION OR GETTING OVER ADDICTION. Addicts are weird and I don't like the psychology surrounding any side of it. My primary concern with "relapse" as a phenomenon is that the terminology creates this idea that you've fucked up. You get one little taste and now you've "relapsed" and practically have permission to backslide completely. A relapse is a relapse is a relapse? Fuck that. That's a bomb that needs defusing.
Holy Lord condense this -
2023-10-07 at 8:16 PM UTCReduce that track, DreThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-10-07 at 8:16 PM UTCThere is no snare in my headphonesThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-10-07 at 8:17 PM UTCHeard
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2023-10-07 at 8:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox I don’t feel any kind of way about it, I was just asking. I don’t really understand addicts either because I naturally don’t have an addictive personality. I smoked for a while sometimes a pack a day for weeks at a time, sometimes a pack a month, and when I wanted to stop I stopped immediately. Same with drugs and alcohol, it’s never been a problem.
I think what most people call addiction is actually them not being to rectify substance use while being a "functional member of society" and having a bunch of ideas in their of how someone is supposed to live or because their religion tells them it's wrong.
Like okay good for you, what if someones religion tells them it's right and they can rectify their abuse of substances with God or their framework of reality or whatever. I think that's why stuff like AA/NA works for so many people because it offers that framework and in their philosophy you are always and addict and etc etc you gotta have a higher power and be accountable to other addicts or else YOU WILL DIE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DISEASE
jamie roll that clip of stans dad
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2023-10-07 at 8:33 PM UTCA shitload of verbiage that can be adequately summed up by one word.
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2023-10-07 at 8:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ Holy Lord condense this
Originally posted by Meikai I just don't want people to treat momentary lapses in judgment as relapses because I feel like it creates a vulnerability that can doom their efforts at sobriety. If you wanna be sober, keep being sober and don't worry about it. The stress and shame of having "Relapsed" is enough to drive a nigga to drugs, gnome saiyan?
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2023-10-07 at 8:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by RIPtotse crack cocaine
my friemd had it and im the king.of.gettkmg.peer.pressuredml? modt of the time
it wasnt fun, i dont have any desire to do it again even if it was free. this is alsoxwhy i si t so acid[veryxoften]
You fall down- you stand up, dust yourself off, and get back to it. -
2023-10-07 at 10:56 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai My primary concern with "relapse" as a phenomenon is that the terminology creates this idea that you've fucked up. You get one little taste and now you've "relapsed" and practically have permission to backslide completely. A relapse is a relapse is a relapse? Fuck that. That's a bomb that needs defusing.
That's my biggest dislike about AA/NA. I get that some people feel like it's saved their lives but I'm pretty positive I have a couple friends who have died because they "relapsed" and were too ashamed to ask for help since everyone in the program shuns those who relapse. If you want to get sober then do it, if you want to get high then get high. I'll never shame a fellow human for wanting to enhance their mind because life sucks. I'll also support you if you want to stop living like that but fuck AA -
2023-10-08 at 1:07 AM UTC
Originally posted by trippymindfuk That's my biggest dislike about AA/NA. I get that some people feel like it's saved their lives but I'm pretty positive I have a couple friends who have died because they "relapsed" and were too ashamed to ask for help since everyone in the program shuns those who relapse. If you want to get sober then do it, if you want to get high then get high. I'll never shame a fellow human for wanting to enhance their mind because life sucks. I'll also support you if you want to stop living like that but fuck AA
I think they end up being self fulfilling prophecies….they listen to these brainwashed fools and become convinced that if they pick up they’re going to be worse than they were when they got clean/sober and will end up dead.
I’ve lost friends I knew who got into these programs and the die hard cult idiots convinced them that AA/NA was the ONLY way and they HAVE to follow the 12 steps to the letter or they’re gonna relapse and die….
Sadly that exactly what they did….I really believe those programs are Fuckin cults and there are some seriously messed up (sober/clean) idiots leading the way.
Bottom line- if you really want to be clean and/sober you just need to STOP using. We’re not controlled by anything but our choices after withdrawal……if you pick up again it’s because you made that choice.
It’s nice to be able to blame “mental illness”, or your circumstances, your upbringing, or anything else you choose to use as the reason you’re a “victim”.
The reality is you’re a victim because you choose to be a victim.
Take responsibility for your life - if it sucks and you’re miserable it’s your fault. The choices you make determine your circumstances.
Unless you’re a helpless child, you really have no excuse for your life sucking, it sucks because of the choices & actions you’ve made.
