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The MP5 is the greatest weapon in modern warfare
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2017-02-25 at 4:37 AM UTC
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2017-02-25 at 4:44 AM UTCThe point, BILL THE 😺, is that there is an edgy gun out there. You know it. I know it. We all know it.
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2017-02-25 at 6:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock what the shit is a pro90?
The way that videogame players refer to the FN P90, because in many prominent multiplayer games, it is a "Noob cannon", in that it generally has a high "competence to return" ratio and is effective in the hands of noobs*. This nomenclature is commonly used in the Counter Strike community because it has a high moving accuracy, high armour* penetration and low recoil, but a low skill cap. As a result, it is effective for noobs, but because it has a low skill cap, people who rely on it will generally remain noobs.
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2017-02-25 at 9:24 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon The way that videogame players refer to the FN P90, because in many prominent multiplayer games, it is a "Noob cannon", in that it generally has a high "competence to return" ratio and is effective in the hands of use. This nomenclature is commonly used in the Counter Strike community because it has a high moving accuracy, high admiral penetration and low recoil, but a low skill cap. As a result, it is effective for noobs, but because it has a low skill cap, people who rely on it will generally remain noobs.
thats horrifying. ive never played any of those games, but that explanation makes sense. i can say, in no uncertain terms, that the P90 in RL is a piece of festering shit. the only reason it has any following or sales whatsoever is its 'cool' appearance and supposed 'CDI' factor. otherwise it is poorly built, unreliable, shitty ergonomics, over-overpriced, shit accuracy past about 20 yards even in single shot, and the topping on the shit-cake is the ammo is shit, has shitty performance, it obscenely poorly designed, and preposterously over priced.
the entire platform was designed to appeal to a bunch of generals in charge of procurement so they could play around with it at some private military range, shoostee off a few rounds of the ultra-low recoil ammo, and declare it the finest firearm ever produced by man...then spend ridiculous amounts of tax dollars to pay for it while patting each other on the ass for such a job well done. thats the actual reason it was designed. then real users got a hold of it...played around with it...then after laughing to the point of nausea, literally left them on the benches at the range in the hopes someone else would take them. (true story)
in its current configuration (civilian semi-auto) it is a fun-gun for plinking and paper-punching because it has virtually no recoil and looks cool...however the price of ammo, inability to reload it due to a shit-design cartridge, and finicky nature of the gun, relegate it far below the utility of other firearms.
the ONLY functional use of a P90 would be exclusive to the following situation: a small-framed, minimally trained, woman combatant, in either a vehicle or building, facing an adversary/adversaries wearing body armor, while the P90 was loaded with military/LE-exclusive 'armor piercing' rounds.
any other situation, the P90 is virtually useless when compared to other more appropriate firearms.
fuck FN for making the costs of what is essentially glorified rimfire rounds so absurdly over priced, and the 'other' producer of 5.7 rounds...just for being a dick.
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2017-02-25 at 10:26 PM UTCI'm not a giant gun nut but it is my impression that the p90 is used by special operations units for urban operations, and close quarters combat. For such a use case, I would imagine a low recoil bullpup smg with armor pen rounds makes sense. What SMGs do you think are good? I've always seen the MP5 in use by many special operations units, and it seems to be a military staple.
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2017-02-25 at 11:09 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon I'm not a giant gun nut but it is my impression that the p90 is used by special operations units for urban operations, and close quarters combat. For such a use case, I would imagine a low recoil bullpup smg with armor pen rounds makes sense. What SMGs do you think are good? I've always seen the MP5 in use by many special operations units, and it seems to be a military staple.
the RL usage of the P90 is the same as it in in the game world: noobs. its commercial success is mostly due to extensive marketing by FN. its terminal ballistics effectiveness is zilch and its only real sales point is as armor-piercing. whats funny about that is the stupid wetbacks in messyco arent smart enough to realize that just because a gun has AP ammo available for it, it doesnt mean every round is AP. they have a massive P90/five-seven fetish because they want the armor piercing ability. theyre using regular civilian-market non-AP in the guns they smuggle and wonder why theyre not magic bullets. yea...they do manage to get some of the military/LE ammo...but not as much as the civilian stuff.
the current western trend is to use a 5.56x45-caliber ar-15 variant with a shortened barrel. considering the 5.56x45 was designed as a rifle round, with the gas system calibrated as such...it runs into reliability issues when the gas length is shortened too much. the performance goes to shit as well when a round that is designed for a barrel length of 'x' is fired out of a barrel length that is actually x-minus-too-many-inches. that...and its loud as fuck with a muzzle blast almost as bad as a 16" naval gun. armor-piercing is a double edged sword. its needed to take care of badguys wearing armor...but on the same note, armor-piercing rounds dont care what they pierce...they just keep doing it. meaning...once the bullet is finished going through the bad guy...its going to keep' on truckin' through the walls and neighbors walls...and any neighbors or pedestrians that happen to be in the way.
low recoil also means low performance. its basic physics...you cant have a powerful round with no cost, as in recoil/muzzle blast. in closed-quarters an M4 going off sucks balls...and physically 'hurts.' ive had a 5.56x45 rifle's muzzle about a foot or so behind me go off a few times and the muzzle blast pressure wave gives me a split-second headache. in the real world that cant be good for focusing.
i actually use a bullpup 7.62x39 in my house. otherwise, i dont think any SMGs are 'good' for what they were designed for, considering that short-barreled rifles with full-powered calibers are available. all current ones follow the trend of using sub-par calibers (.22 caliber or smaller) in an effort to appease the lowest common denominators inability to appropriately handle a firearm. manufacturers keep coming up with these ridiculous calibers that are smaller than .22's in an effort to win the prize of becoming the next best thing. my opinion is...nothing smaller than a 10mm should be in an SMG; nothing smaller than 7.62x39 in a general-duty rifle; and nothing smaller than 30-06 in a general purpose MG. if an UZI and an MP5 had a baby...in 10mm, .45...thatd be ideal to me. id like one in .50ae personally but that would never be used by anyone that needs to shoot people for a living.
MP5 is a good gun...but its ancient technology using a caliber that is losing (technically) support. UMP was a stopgap that didnt cut the mustard. currently there arent any 'new' SMGs that have the benefits and reliability of the MP5 (and variants) but that doesnt stop almost every manufacturer from trying. -
2017-02-25 at 11:18 PM UTCDamn Bill, dropping knowledge bombs left and right. Good shit, mayn.
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2017-02-25 at 11:38 PM UTCThe Golden Gun was the answer fags.
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2017-02-26 at 12:15 AM UTC
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2017-02-26 at 12:21 AM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock thats horrifying. ive never played any of those games, but that explanation makes sense. i can say, in no uncertain terms, that the P90 in RL is a piece of festering shit. the only reason it has any following or sales whatsoever is its 'cool' appearance and supposed 'CDI' factor. otherwise it is poorly built, unreliable, shitty ergonomics, over-overpriced, shit accuracy past about 20 yards even in single shot, and the topping on the shit-cake is the ammo is shit, has shitty performance, it obscenely poorly designed, and preposterously over priced.
the entire platform was designed to appeal to a bunch of generals in charge of procurement so they could play around with it at some private military range, shoostee off a few rounds of the ultra-low recoil ammo, and declare it the finest firearm ever produced by man…then spend ridiculous amounts of tax dollars to pay for it while patting each other on the ass for such a job well done. thats the actual reason it was designed. then real users got a hold of it…played around with it…then after laughing to the point of nausea, literally left them on the benches at the range in the hopes someone else would take them. (true story)
in its current configuration (civilian semi-auto) it is a fun-gun for plinking and paper-punching because it has virtually no recoil and looks cool…however the price of ammo, inability to reload it due to a shit-design cartridge, and finicky nature of the gun, relegate it far below the utility of other firearms.
the ONLY functional use of a P90 would be exclusive to the following situation: a small-framed, minimally trained, woman combatant, in either a vehicle or building, facing an adversary/adversaries wearing body armor, while the P90 was loaded with military/LE-exclusive 'armor piercing' rounds.
any other situation, the P90 is virtually useless when compared to other more appropriate firearms.
fuck FN for making the costs of what is essentially glorified rimfire rounds so absurdly over priced, and the 'other' producer of 5.7 rounds…just for being a dick.
The p90 was what I was referring to with this post
Originally posted by Hash Slinging Slasher Free hint for fn herstal:
If you have to coat your casings in explosives to get the action to cycle, go the fuck back to the drawing board
Although I guess the coating was just to aid extraction of the round after firing
Don't know why I thought it was explosive
Still a shit cartridge
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2017-02-26 at 12:46 AM UTC
Originally posted by Hash Slinging Slasher The p90 was what I was referring to with this post
im not sure what you mean by coating the casing with explosives...but if youre talking about the coating on the 5.7xshit, its not to get it to cycle...its to keep the expanded cases from jamming in the chamber.
normal semi-auto rifle rounds have a tapered case, the 7.62x39 being an extreme example...which is why their magazines are banana shaped. that extreme-taper makes extraction of the case much easier on the action and reduces the chance for a extraction failure. other rounds are tapered, just not so extensively. the tards at FN couldnt figure out any other way to fit so many tiny rounds into a magazine configured the way they devised...so they had to have full-on straight walled brass.
the coating is some sort of plastic, for which FN absolutely refuses to release the specs for. thats why in my earlier post i said it wasnt reloadable and part of why i consider the platform 'shit.' technically it is, but the effort isnt worth it. compromises are understandable, but that was a full-fucktard design flaw. when a chamber of a full auto...especially a closed-bolt one...gets hot as fuck from repeated firing...even tapered cases can stick. straight walled cases? fuckit...go get a fucking battering ram and sledge hammer to extract that stuck-welded fucker. semi-auto civilian versions arent as badly affected by these straight-walled cases minus-the-coating....its the full-auto ones.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-02-26 at 2:58 AM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock thats horrifying. ive never played any of those games, but that explanation makes sense. i can say, in no uncertain terms, that the P90 in RL is a piece of festering shit. the only reason it has any following or sales whatsoever is its 'cool' appearance and supposed 'CDI' factor. otherwise it is poorly built, unreliable, shitty ergonomics, over-overpriced, shit accuracy past about 20 yards even in single shot, and the topping on the shit-cake is the ammo is shit, has shitty performance, it obscenely poorly designed, and preposterously over priced.
the entire platform was designed to appeal to a bunch of generals in charge of procurement so they could play around with it at some private military range, shoostee off a few rounds of the ultra-low recoil ammo, and declare it the finest firearm ever produced by man…then spend ridiculous amounts of tax dollars to pay for it while patting each other on the ass for such a job well done. thats the actual reason it was designed. then real users got a hold of it…played around with it…then after laughing to the point of nausea, literally left them on the benches at the range in the hopes someone else would take them. (true story)
in its current configuration (civilian semi-auto) it is a fun-gun for plinking and paper-punching because it has virtually no recoil and looks cool…however the price of ammo, inability to reload it due to a shit-design cartridge, and finicky nature of the gun, relegate it far below the utility of other firearms.
the ONLY functional use of a P90 would be exclusive to the following situation: a small-framed, minimally trained, woman combatant, in either a vehicle or building, facing an adversary/adversaries wearing body armor, while the P90 was loaded with military/LE-exclusive 'armor piercing' rounds.
any other situation, the P90 is virtually useless when compared to other more appropriate firearms.
fuck FN for making the costs of what is essentially glorified rimfire rounds so absurdly over priced, and the 'other' producer of 5.7 rounds…just for being a dick.
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