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Psychopathic/Narcissistic Scale: A Discussion

  1. #1
    SBTlauien African Astronaut
    From my understanding, everyone is narcissistic to a certain degree and everyone is psychopathic to a certain degree. The thing that makes someone have NPD is that they are very narcissistic and lack empathy. The thing that makes someone a psychopath is that they lack empathy and have no conscience(or have a weak one in the case of factor two/secondary psychopaths aka sociopaths).

    From what I see, it appears that those who would rate high in their narcissistic traits(jealous competitive people that care a lot about their social status and reputation) tend to become less happy as they age when compared to those who would rate lower on their narcissistic traits(people who are happy with whatever they have, don't compete, and are not very concerned with what other think about them).

    What is the likely outcome of happiness with those who score higher on their psychopathic traits?
  2. #2
    Kafka victim of incest
    Are you saying narcissists are happy when they’re younger?

    I see those psycho/socio disorders as a narrow lens to view the world through and it may be harder to step back for some people but that everyone has emotions.
  3. #3
    Bradley Dark Matter
    ya people that love themselves love themselves more when they're younger.

    also OP:

  4. #4
    Haxxor African Astronaut
    Both scenarios serve as convenient excuses for being outright losers at life


    😵‍💫 it’s not my fault I’m diseased
  5. #5
    Sophie Pedophile Tech Support
    Originally posted by Haxxor Both scenarios serve as convenient excuses for being outright losers at life


    😵‍💫 it’s not my fault I’m diseased

    If you think high functioning psychopaths feel like losers to themselves or use a label as an excuse for certain behaviors you are wrong.
  6. #6
    Migh Houston
    I think the main thing that makes some psychopaths successful is not using drugs.

    Drugs seem to be the main problem for most unsuccessful psychopaths.
  7. #7
    Sophie Pedophile Tech Support
    I don't think drugs have much to do with it, you have organized psychopaths and disorganized ones. The ones who are not organized seem to have bad impulse control, which overall is more detrimental to their success.
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  8. #8
    Migh Houston
    So in the long run, organized psychopaths are more likely to be happier than unorganized psychopaths?
  9. #9
    Haxxor African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Sophie If you think high functioning psychopaths feel like losers to themselves or use a label as an excuse for certain behaviors you are wrong.

    Despite their outward arrogance, psychopaths feel inferior to others and know they are stigmatized by their own behavior. Some psychopaths are superficially adapted to their environment and may even convince themselves they’re popular, but deep down they know they must carefully hide their true nature because it will not be acceptable to others.
    This leaves psychopaths with a difficult choice: adapt and participate in an empty, unreal life, or do not adapt and live a lonely life isolated from the social community. They see the love and friendship others share and feel dejected knowing they will never be part of it. They’re always on the losing end of meaningful human connection of any kind and they know it.

    The significance of suffering in the development and diagnosis of psychopathy is underexposed in our current diagnosic systems and theories. It is extremely important to recognize hidden suffering, loneliness, and lack of self-esteem as risk factors for deviant, and even violent, behavior in psychopaths. Studying the statements of violent criminal psychopaths sheds light on their striking and specific vulnerability and emotional pain.
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    Speedy Parker Black Hole [my absentmindedly lachrymatory gazania]
    Happiness is a dragon you can never catch. Seek to be content.
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  11. #11
    Migh Houston
    Originally posted by Haxxor Despite their outward arrogance, psychopaths feel inferior to others and know they are stigmatized by their own behavior. Some psychopaths are superficially adapted to their environment and may even convince themselves they’re popular, but deep down they know they must carefully hide their true nature because it will not be acceptable to others.
    This leaves psychopaths with a difficult choice: adapt and participate in an empty, unreal life, or do not adapt and live a lonely life isolated from the social community. They see the love and friendship others share and feel dejected knowing they will never be part of it. They’re always on the losing end of meaningful human connection of any kind and they know it.

    The significance of suffering in the development and diagnosis of psychopathy is underexposed in our current diagnosic systems and theories. It is extremely important to recognize hidden suffering, loneliness, and lack of self-esteem as risk factors for deviant, and even violent, behavior in psychopaths. Studying the statements of violent criminal psychopaths sheds light on their striking and specific vulnerability and emotional pain.

    But fulfillment is different for them. They cant connect with others but they also have no need or desire to do so(unless they want something other than the relationship), so they are at no loss unless they trick themselves into thinking they are.

    Who's really suffering though, psychopaths or non-psychopaths?
  12. #12
    Kafka victim of incest
    Originally posted by Migh But fulfillment is different for them. They cant connect with others but they also have no need or desire to do so(unless they want something other than the relationship), so they are at no loss unless they trick themselves into thinking they are.

    Who's really suffering though, psychopaths or non-psychopaths?

    It’s like someone having to spend their life in jail but not caring, and if they suddenly found enlightenment at the end and felt regret then they are suffering.
  13. #13
    Kafka victim of incest
    Mik was like this, apathetic and it was sad.
  14. #14
    Kafka victim of incest
    He let me spam him every day for three years and didn’t care, normally that’s abusive and I wouldn’t have treated him like that but he really didn’t care. I think he was just that empty, it was sad.
  15. #15
    Kafka victim of incest
    He was a saint or a psycho
  16. #16
    Kafka victim of incest
    I told him I’d stop if he said the word and I really wanted him to be happy but he wanted to be what he thought I wanted him to be. :/
  17. #17
    Migh Houston
    Originally posted by Kafka It’s like someone having to spend their life in jail but not caring, and if they suddenly found enlightenment at the end and felt regret then they are suffering.

    Not exactly. Psychopaths still get to enjoy things in life, they just enjoy different things.

    Its kind of like a religous person that finds happiness in doing volunteer work, saying that other people will never feel happy unless they become religous and do volunteer work for the community. Its not true due to different people finding happiness in different places.
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  18. #18
    Kafka victim of incest
    Originally posted by Migh Not exactly. Psychopaths still get to enjoy things in life, they just enjoy different things.

    Its kind of like a religous person that finds happiness in doing volunteer work, saying that other people will never feel happy unless they become religous and do volunteer work for the community. Its not true due to different people finding happiness in different places.

    This reminding me of something, I used to think people saw me as crazy because I wanted different things out of life. When you have different priorities you don’t act normal.
  19. #19
    Haxxor African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Kafka When you have different priorities you don’t act normal.

    The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal.
    Most people are, in the most ordinary sense, very limited.

    They pass their time, day after day, in idle, passive pursuits, just looking at things - at games, television, whatever.
    Or they fill the hours talking, mostly about nothing of significance - of comings and goings, of who is doing what, of the weather, of things forgotten almost as soon as they are mentioned.

    They have no aspirations for themselves beyond getting through another day doing more or less what they did yesterday.

    They walk across the stage of life, leaving everything about as it was when they entered, achieving nothing, aspiring to nothing, having never a profound or even original thought...

    This is what is common, usual, typical, indeed normal.


    Relatively few rise above such a plodding existence, and they’re all here.
  20. #20
    Kafka victim of incest
    Originally posted by Haxxor The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal.
    Most people are, in the most ordinary sense, very limited.

    They pass their time, day after day, in idle, passive pursuits, just looking at things - at games, television, whatever.
    Or they fill the hours talking, mostly about nothing of significance - of comings and goings, of who is doing what, of the weather, of things forgotten almost as soon as they are mentioned.

    They have no aspirations for themselves beyond getting through another day doing more or less what they did yesterday.

    They walk across the stage of life, leaving everything about as it was when they entered, achieving nothing, aspiring to nothing, having never a profound or even original thought…

    This is what is common, usual, typical, indeed normal.


    Relatively few rise above such a plodding existence, and they’re all here.

    I think being hopeless is good for your mental health, if you can abandon it completely. The people here aren’t hopeless.
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