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2017-01-28 at 3:30 PM UTCAlways remember that physio killed the radio star
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2017-01-28 at 3:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by ACE Maybe not all people are the same. I have always gained strength easily but I've never been super big or had a really low body fat % until I started doing all this.
But try to find a bodybuilder that doesn't eat carbs. You will gain body fat % while bulking. You're not putting on size without doing that. You want to be insulin sensitive and that helps deliver protein to the muscle. When I was on a high fat/high protein diet I was trying to lose body fat % while maintaining my weight (for the most part. I lost like 5-10 lbs) and anyone who wants to see the results I can send pictures. But I thought it was my calories. A lot of people say you need a lot of calories to grow. But I was struggling just to maintain weight. When I eat the same amount without excluding carbs I get big pretty fast. Yeah you will lose some definition but it happens. You cut back later and lose the excess fat. People argue about simple vs complex…idk about all that. But spiking your insulin after a hard work out and consuming a lot of protein with it, and creatine etc. is the best way to do it. (If you are trying to get big)
As far as strength, if you can do 8-12 reps with 90-95lb dumbells on incline, decline and flat your max with barbells should be over 350…well maybe not incline, but say use them for decline and flat and like 8-12 reps with 80-85lb dumbells for incline…but as far as that yeah different people would be different but 190lbs of dumbells isn't the same thing as 190lbs on a bar. And I've heard a lot of other people say it's best for building strength too. I only started using barbells to see where I was for a max on flat benchpresses and kind of got addicted to it, but dumbbell benchpresses will get the most gains in strength up to a point.
You also don't want your body fat less than 8%. But if you aren't worried about getting bigger you could stick with the high protein/high fat thing and still get really strong. You won't get bigger though if you are really worried about losing any definition or anything like that though because it is necessary.
Post last edited by ACE at 2017-01-28T11:42:37.190502+00:00
EDIT: I'm not really trying to gain weight at the moment. I don't max out because I think it's a waste of energy but on bench with barbells my 1 rep max is roughly twice my body weight (supposed to be) give or take 5-10lbs. Within the next few weeks it's going to be over twice my body weight. After I get over that I may start trying to get bigger for a little while. My point is I'm not even eating a lot of carbs right now. Hardly any.
Post last edited by ACE at 2017-01-28T11:53:05.015764+00:00
Post last edited by ACE at 2017-01-28T11:53:40.977048+00:00
of course not all people are the same...everyone is different in virtually every aspect of their physiology. some people can bulk up just by looking at a barbell...others can spend months benchpressing only to gain a few ounces of muscle mass.
if someone consumes more calories (calories being energy...completely different from things like vitamins or amino acids (proteins)...if the body eats protein and doesnt use it for energy or need it for amino acids...it gets shit out, not contributing to actual coloric intake) than they burn from exercise requirements, it gets stored as either glycogen somewhere, or when those reserves are filled...as adipose tissue holding fat.
fat is a 'better' energy source for the human body...for reasons why too complicated for me to get into on here...than carbohyrates, but carbs are 'better' in the regard that theyre a 'hotter' fuel that is more quickly used than fat. fat is a more dense fuel, which weighs more, but holds more energy that the carbohydrates...which turn into fuel the body can use quicker. example...set a wooden log (fat analogy) on fire. itll produce a decent amount of heat and light but for a long period of time. set the same amount of gasoline on fire itll turn into a fireball thatll only burn for a few seconds. (not a perfect thermodynamic analogy...but it gets the basic point across)
fat fuel contributes to heavier weight and the undesirable loss of definition due to many peoples bodies preferring to store fat just under the skin...whereas carbs are stored in smaller 'weight' amounts as glycogen deep within the body, inside various organs.
the reason i prefer dumbells over barbells is it takes more support-muscle strength to use. i dont like how barbells restrict movement into a select, specific direction. as far as body build...im not concerned with that, over general fitness. there are guys at the gym who cant lift as much weight as i can yet theyre literally twice my weight. (some guy who looks like a professional bodybuilder does the same amount of reps with the same weight on barbell curls...and a lot less on dumbell flyes.) i eat a large quantity of my calories as fat...from avacados, avacado oil, cashews, and various other oils. one thing i eat fairly regularly is feta cheese soaked in avacoda/coconut/safflower/canola (mixed) oil with some garlic and other spices. i naturally have a low body fat but dont do anything intentional to maintain that. i do eat a lot of carbs as well due to my day to day lifestyle being high-energy. i try to avoid high glycemic carbs and stick with low-gyclemic ones...but that doesnt always work out since im always eating some sort of junk food. fortunately i like sweet potatoes....some of which im growing now. -
2017-01-28 at 3:48 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock thats what i get for thinking someone on the internets…much less this site…is capable of performing a simple task. those sources dont count as sources…the authors are varying degrees useless-idiot…such as yourself.
since youre obviously an idiot, ill break this down for you as simply as i possibly can:
in the most basest structural form…carbohydrates do not possess the physical characteristics to perform the function of building muscle. the only task carbohydrates are capable of fulfilling is energy functions as in fuel for the muscles. the human body is capable of digesting carbohydrates into a base form that produces energy but not into any form capable of building any structure…especially muscle…within the human body. the human body is capable of digesting proteins into its intended base forms that build the structures…including muscle…within the human body. additionally, in the event the human body is lacking energy in either carbohydrate or fat sources, it is capable of digesting proteins…including those tissues already existing within the human body…into carbohydrates for fuel/energy. i know there are some big words there, but if you dont grasp the concepts…automatically consider my stance in the argument correct by default because you lack the basic understanding of human physiology.
any glycogen in the muscles is purely for short term use as conversion to the actual energy source of the muscles…glucose. the quantities within muscles are insignificant in terms of muscle mass and contribute virtually nothing to overall size. that author is obviously an idiot…good choice on reference material
probably not the best quote to use since it supports my argument at the expense of yours
yea…umm…no.
false. author = idiot
like i already said…the human body can produce carbs from protein but cannot produce protein from carbs
the human body only uses protein as an energy source when there are carbohydrates lacking, if there are no fat deposits to make use of. the intensity of exercise does not cause proteins to be digested into carbohydrates. starvation conditions are what causes proteins to be digested into carbs…not a basic workout.
read the words this author used…'likely'…'may'…as in, theyre not sure. as in…they dont know what the fuck theyre talking about. as in…theyre an idiot.
you obviously have no idea where i learn't anything. id say we should both post shirtless selfies and let the other posters decide who knows more about physical fitness…but im not posting my pic. there is a shirtless pic of me from skanktuary or totse2 if anyone wants to go find it…although ive gained quite a bit of weight since then.
while there is quite a bit more for me to berate you on…i dont feel like typing anymore.
Find me a single source that says anything about carbs not having "anything to do with getting bigger." You can't because that's straight up retarded. Also lol at how you criticize me and my sources and then provide absolutely none yourself. Ask literally anyone who lifts with the intention of gaining mass and I guarantee you they are eating hella rice, pasta, and chugging oatmeal.
And I'm not going to ask you where you "learn't" these things because it's obvious that wherever you "learn't" things taught you total bullshit, like I've already said.
Is there a single subject that you actually halfway know what you're talking about or do you just run your mouth off on whatever suits your fancy, making it up as you go along? -
2017-01-28 at 3:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock the reason i prefer dumbells over barbells is it takes more support-muscle strength to use. i dont like how barbells restrict movement into a select, specific direction.
LOL. Literally the exact opposite of that is true.
Also remember on rdfrn when you tried to tell me I wasn't in the military or was a shitbag or not as good as you for some reason and I told you about how I got 2 nam's and you got all butthurt and went to go criticize someone else instead because you felt inferior because you were in the navy or some shit? -
2017-01-28 at 4:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic Find me a single source that says anything about carbs not having "anything to do with getting bigger."
go find it yourself. i know how basic physiology and nutrition work...youre the one that is clueless on it.
Originally posted by greenplastic Also lol at how you criticize me and my sources and then provide absolutely none yourself. Ask literally anyone who lifts with the intention of gaining mass…
yea...cause all the shit theyre eating turns into mass all right...fat. like i already said.
if the body consumes more calories than it uses in energy, the remainder is either converted to fat/glycogen, or shit/pissed out.
Originally posted by greenplastic And I'm not going to ask you where you "learn't" these things because it's obvious that wherever you "learn't" things taught you total bullshit, like I've already said.
your sources are idiots that dont know what theyre talking about, and i already pointed out how and why. you dont want to understand the concept...suits me. keep on keeping on being an idiot.
Originally posted by greenplastic Is there a single subject that you actually halfway know what you're talking about or do you just run your mouth off on whatever suits your fancy, making it up as you go along?
yes.
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2017-01-28 at 4:58 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic LOL. Literally the exact opposite of that is true.
Also remember on rdfrn when you tried to tell me I wasn't in the military or was a shitbag or not as good as you for some reason and I told you about how I got 2 nam's and you got all butthurt and went to go criticize someone else instead because you felt inferior because you were in the navy or some shit?
literally, someone obviously has no clue how to lift weights.
you obviously failed to entertain me sufficiently so i moved on to someone more entertaining. i literally have no idea who you are and literally could care a literal fuck less. -
2017-01-28 at 5:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock go find it yourself. i know how basic physiology and nutrition work…youre the one that is clueless on it.
yea…cause all the shit theyre eating turns into mass all right…fat. like i already said.
if the body consumes more calories than it uses in energy, the remainder is either converted to fat/glycogen, or shit/pissed out.
your sources are idiots that dont know what theyre talking about, and i already pointed out how and why. you dont want to understand the concept…suits me. keep on keeping on being an idiot.
yes.
Lol yea because we should all just go off of whatever you say is true. Sorry breh that's not how the reality works. Unfortunately for you you are wrong and everyone else who knows anything about bodybuilding, basic nutrition, or fundamental principles of the universe disagrees with you, but you want me to believe your bullshit unreferenced claims? Lol gtfo. I bet you don't have any muscle to speak of anyways, probably the reason you're always projecting your need for power over others anonymously on the internet by threatening to rape or kill everyone. Everyone can see straight through your bullshit. -
2017-01-28 at 5:21 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic Lol yea because we should all just go off of whatever you say is true. Sorry breh that's not how the reality works. Unfortunately for you you are wrong and everyone else who knows anything about bodybuilding, basic nutrition, or fundamental principles of the universe disagrees with you, but you want me to believe your bullshit unreferenced claims? Lol gtfo. I bet you don't have any muscle to speak of anyways, probably the reason you're always projecting your need for power over others anonymously on the internet by threatening to rape or kill everyone. Everyone can see straight through your bullshit.
i started to post some medical journal links...some of which require a login to read...then realized you wouldnt even grasp the concept...much less be able to follow along with all the big words.
i explained to you the difference between energy producing carbs and structure-building proteins...and how carbohydrates cannot, under any circumstance, directly increase strength or muscle mass.
youre more than welcome to live in your fantasy land...have fun with that.
you want to see my muscle...go find the pic i posted. and that one was when i had less muscle than i do now.
im not projecting anything...my ballsack really does want to know what your lips feel like.
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2017-01-28 at 5:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic im a faggot
this is the simplest article i could find that doesnt use big technical words. you might be able to comprehend some of it. if not...as your teacher when you go into class on monday. im sure all the other 3rd graders will be impressed with your new found knowledge
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1550-2783-11-20
notice theres no ads on that site trying to sell shit? not so much on the links you posted.
heres another one...even smaller words.
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1550-2783-10-42
Post last edited by infinityshock at 2017-01-28T17:31:36.857485+00:00 -
2017-01-28 at 5:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock i started to post some medical journal links…some of which require a login to read…then realized you wouldnt even grasp the concept…much less be able to follow along with all the big words.
i explained to you the difference between energy producing carbs and structure-building proteins…and how carbohydrates cannot, under any circumstance, directly increase strength or muscle mass.
youre more than welcome to live in your fantasy land…have fun with that.
you want to see my muscle…go find the pic i posted. and that one was when i had less muscle than i do now.
im not projecting anything…my ballsack really does want to know what your lips feel like.
lol. I have to do my vector calculus homework now. I'll read those at some point today though. -
2017-01-28 at 10:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic Then what are you talking about?
That's a bad analogy. When it comes to the media we consume of course people have different opinions. But I don't know a single human who doesn't enjoy a fat endorphin release.
I'm talking about a fairly reasonable level of fitness maintained over a span of a few months. I went through a phase where I decided I wanted to get fit, the goal was to be able to do a hundred consecutive pushups but I also did some cardio training in there too. I realize that's not professional athlete tier, I wasn't "ripped" but I call bullshit if you deny that represents "physically fit". And my primary memory of that experience is how much it sucked.
Yeah, it feels cool to have visible musculature in some base vain way, the experience of progress towards some goal is rewarding, but then so are video games and cheese pizza. There are a lot of ways to elicit a reward response, in 2017 a good deal of them don't require long stretches of boredom and physical pain. People have different opinions of the enjoyability of an endorphin high relative to its cost as well, and based on the way people behave I daresay most of us think it's a pretty shitty way of experiencing satisfaction.
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2017-01-29 at 3:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock this is the simplest article i could find that doesnt use big technical words. you might be able to comprehend some of it. if not…as your teacher when you go into class on monday. im sure all the other 3rd graders will be impressed with your new found knowledge
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1550-2783-11-20
notice theres no ads on that site trying to sell shit? not so much on the links you posted.
heres another one…even smaller words.
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1550-2783-10-42
Post last edited by infinityshock at 2017-01-28T17:31:36.857485+00:00
Dude are you fucking kidding me with those links? After all that shit talking you did about me being in 3rd grade and shit, it's obvious you either didn't comprehend a thing those studies were saying, or just posted it with the hope that I wouldn't read it and you could look smart.
The first article is specifically about cutting. They specifically mention muscle retention (retention means keeping the muscle you already have, in case you didn't know) and losing fat. They then go on to say that the best way to do this involves eating carbohydrates anyways.
"Caloric intake should be set at a level that results in bodyweight losses of approximately 0.5 to 1%/wk to maximize muscle retention. Within this caloric intake, most but not all bodybuilders will respond best to consuming 2.3-3.1 g/kg of lean body mass per day of protein, 15-30% of calories from fat, and the reminder of calories from carbohydrate."
The second one is about a post workout meal, and whether or not having carbs with protein helps build muscle more than protein alone. And their conclusion?
"The paucity of data will be discussed, thus our conclusions are that further studies are necessary prior to any conclusions that enable evidence-based recommendations to be made."
I rest my fucking case. -
2017-01-29 at 3:22 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny I'm talking about a fairly reasonable level of fitness maintained over a span of a few months. I went through a phase where I decided I wanted to get fit, the goal was to be able to do a hundred consecutive pushups but I also did some cardio training in there too. I realize that's not professional athlete tier, I wasn't "ripped" but I call bullshit if you deny that represents "physically fit". And my primary memory of that experience is how much it sucked.
Yeah, it feels cool to have visible musculature in some base vain way, the experience of progress towards some goal is rewarding, but then so are video games and cheese pizza. There are a lot of ways to elicit a reward response, in 2017 a good deal of them don't require long stretches of boredom and physical pain. People have different opinions of the enjoyability of an endorphin high relative to its cost as well, and based on the way people behave I daresay most of us think it's a pretty shitty way of experiencing satisfaction.
If you were drinking or using drugs other than like weed or maybe something else very occasionally, it doesn't count. If that's not the case, then fair enough. I'm not claiming anyone should be ripped, that much effort isn't worth it to me either, but it is worth the effort for me to be in decent shape.
Also I'd venture to say that if that is the case that you are in the minority. I think most people want to exercise but just don't have the willpower to keep it up long enough to reap any tangible benefits. Drunk programmers are pretty much the polar opposite demographic of who I'd expect to be fit, and you probably just know a lot of people like that. A lot of people want to be or are healthy though. -
2017-01-29 at 4:16 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny I'm talking about a fairly reasonable level of fitness maintained over a span of a few months. I went through a phase where I decided I wanted to get fit, the goal was to be able to do a hundred consecutive pushups but I also did some cardio training in there too. I realize that's not professional athlete tier, I wasn't "ripped" but I call bullshit if you deny that represents "physically fit". And my primary memory of that experience is how much it sucked.
Yeah, it feels cool to have visible musculature in some base vain way, the experience of progress towards some goal is rewarding, but then so are video games and cheese pizza. There are a lot of ways to elicit a reward response, in 2017 a good deal of them don't require long stretches of boredom and physical pain. People have different opinions of the enjoyability of an endorphin high relative to its cost as well, and based on the way people behave I daresay most of us think it's a pretty shitty way of experiencing satisfaction.
I won't pretend your own experience and opinion is invalid. I do think if expectations are based around (((the media))) that you'd be setting yourself up for failure, because as you said it's entirely vain and the actors and other figure heads all use steroids (in one case there's a youtube celebrity that has some type of plastic injection). In my eyes fitness is about being able to do something without getting tired or injured. That includes things like stretching which feel really good. To take another perspective say you take 2 people, one in great shape, not a body builder but active in some sport at the least. And you take another inactive person. They both get hit by a car, jump from a medium height, etc. It's obvious who is going to have a better chance at survival and who will recover quicker.
When you are a kid you take it for granted. Even something like sitting on the floor or slav squat (with heels touching the ground). Look at even normal weight middle aged people who will grunt and groan if they have to squat on the ground to pick something up. Old people will break their bones in the same situation. When you spend all your time stationary your joints will fuse together. It's why I advocate being fidgety as possible.
Shit like this:
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2017-01-29 at 4:49 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny cheese pizza.
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2017-01-29 at 10:44 PM UTCNothing better than pizza with Pureed Tomato, and Havarti Cheese
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2017-01-29 at 11:20 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic Dude are you fucking kidding me with those links? After all that shit talking you did about me being in 3rd grade and shit, it's obvious you either didn't comprehend a thing those studies were saying, or just posted it with the hope that I wouldn't read it and you could look smart.
The first article is specifically about cutting. They specifically mention muscle retention (retention means keeping the muscle you already have, in case you didn't know) and losing fat. They then go on to say that the best way to do this involves eating carbohydrates anyways.
"Caloric intake should be set at a level that results in bodyweight losses of approximately 0.5 to 1%/wk to maximize muscle retention. Within this caloric intake, most but not all bodybuilders will respond best to consuming 2.3-3.1 g/kg of lean body mass per day of protein, 15-30% of calories from fat, and the reminder of calories from carbohydrate."
The second one is about a post workout meal, and whether or not having carbs with protein helps build muscle more than protein alone. And their conclusion?
"The paucity of data will be discussed, thus our conclusions are that further studies are necessary prior to any conclusions that enable evidence-based recommendations to be made."
I rest my fucking case.
there's no hope for you. your attempts at going full retard are a success.
go look at the molecular structure of carbs and proteins...then the physical structure of muscle tissue.
it is physically impossible for carbohydrates to create, form, or become in any way muscle. -
2017-01-29 at 11:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock there's no hope for you. your attempts at going full retard are a success.
go look at the molecular structure of carbs and proteins…then the physical structure of muscle tissue.
it is physically impossible for carbohydrates to create, form, or become in any way muscle.
lol, dipshit.
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2017-01-29 at 11:40 PM UTCI like a classic pepperoni myself.
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2017-01-30 at 11:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic lol, dipshit.
you are without a doubt the least intelligent member on this forum
considering youre the one that has no clue on basic physiology...
