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2021-08-25 at 2:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Boeing was in the news again this morning…management "intimidating" safety guys into approving shit and if they didn't they passed the work onto one who would approve it.
that company is rotten to the very core and the only thing that kept it alive is their defense contracts. -
2021-08-25 at 2:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Boeing was in the news again this morning…management "intimidating" safety guys into approving shit and if they didn't they passed the work onto one who would approve it.
boeings competitorsThe FAA put a lot of faith in Boeing
In a blockbuster March 17 report for the Seattle Times, the newspaper’s aerospace reporter Dominic Gates details the extent to which the FAA delegated crucial evaluations of the 737’s safety to Boeing itself. The delegation, Gates explains, is in part a story of a years-long process during which the FAA, “citing lack of funding and resources, has over the years delegated increasing authority to Boeing to take on more of the work of certifying the safety of its own airplanes.”
But there are indications of failures that were specific to the 737 Max timeline. In particular, Gates reports that “as certification proceeded, managers prodded them to speed the process” and that “when time was too short for FAA technical staff to complete a review, sometimes managers either signed off on the documents themselves or delegated their review back to Boeing.”
Most of all, decisions about what could and could not be delegated were being made by managers concerned about the timeline, rather than by the agency’s technical experts. -
2021-08-25 at 2:32 PM UTCI said it before and I'll say it again, UL/ETL/TUV etc etc are worthless. Pretty much any company can become their own auditors...we looked into it ourselves but it was too expensive.
Allowing Boeing or any company that affects public saftey to certify themselves is fucking recockulous.
I know if we had self certification I'd be going to production and saying "it's fine, just put the fucking sticker on it and ship it out"The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-08-25 at 2:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson I said it before and I'll say it again, UL/ETL/TUV etc etc are worthless.
not true at all.
if you want to be compensated by the insurers without much hassle, using only aplliances bearing these marks are an essential.
which is why they called it UL in the US. unterwritters lab.
theyre responsible for the underwritings.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-08-25 at 2:38 PM UTC
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2021-08-25 at 2:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny not true at all.
if you want to be compensated by the insurers without much hassle, using only aplliances bearing these marks are an essential.
which is why they called it UL in the US. unterwritters lab.
theyre responsible for the underwritings.
Again you don't know what you are talking about UL has a program where a company can become UL auditors...authorized to put UL stickers on...instead of them coming every 3 months for your quarterly inspection...you do it yourselves and send the results into UL.
"The Goldstar brand air conditioner at issue in the case was certified by LG under UL’s self-certification program known as “Total Certification Program” or TCP. LG claimed the air conditioner complied with UL 484, the standard for room air conditions. But plaintiff’s testing found plastic components were excessively flammable and did not meet the standard and that UL did no testing to confirm compliance."
https://www.safetyresearch.net/ul-self-certification-program-raises-safety-questions/ -
2021-08-25 at 2:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson we looked into it ourselves but it was too expensive.
why
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Allowing Boeing or any company that affects public saftey to certify themselves is fucking recockulous.
airplanes are not public safety. You don't have to fly on a plane and there are many companies with safe planes. This is just one rogue company that can't keep up with market trends of safety. Unlike successful companies like Bombardier Aviation who is a world leader in technology and safety.
American aviation companies are like mexicans, cheap shitty labor, shitty products. If you want to buy a plane buy it from Canada and you will never have these problems.
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson I know if we had self certification I'd be going to production and saying "it's fine, just put the fucking sticker on it and ship it out"
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this is why people pay more for reliable world class canadian products. We have industry self regulation with zero problems, americans are too stupid/lazy/greedy/dumb to keep up. -
2021-08-25 at 2:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood why
Why?? bit of a dumb question
"Why didn't you buy the $100,000 hotdog"?
...because having the hotdog guy make it himeself was only $3.airplanes are not public safety.
Any product used by or affecting the public is a public saftey concern...you don't have to fly in a plane for the fucking thing to drop on your house. -
2021-08-25 at 2:47 PM UTCAussies are sissy’s
COCKodile Dundee is rolling over in his grave… -
2021-08-25 at 2:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood ^^^^^^^^
this is why people pay more for reliable world class canadian products. We have industry self regulation with zero problems, americans are too stupid/lazy/greedy/dumb to keep up.
..some of our products have CA coverage through ETL...basically all we had to do was insert a couple of paragraphs into the manual in French...fucking lol -
2021-08-25 at 2:48 PM UTCAFGHAN BRINGING IN THE HASH ON OUR WORLD CLASS BOMBARDIER PLANES
AMERICANS CRYING ABOUT TERRORISTS ON THEIR SHJitty GROUNDED BOEING PLANES LOL GET FUCKED AMERICANS SHITTY COMMUNIST COUNTRY FAILS AT CAPITALISM
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Why?? bit of a dumb question
do it cheaper without affecting safety it's called innovation
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson ..some of our products have CA coverage through ETL…basically all we had to do was insert a couple of paragraphs into the manual in French…fucking lol
yeah pretty much -
2021-08-25 at 2:49 PM UTC
Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood AFGHAN BRINGING IN THE HASH ON OUR WORLD CLASS BOMBARDIER PLANES
AMERICANS CRYING ABOUT TERRORISTS ON THEIR SHJitty GROUNDED BOEING PLANES LOL GET FUCKED AMERICANS SHITTY COMMUNIST COUNTRY FAILS AT CAPITALISM
do it cheaper without affecting safety it's called innovation
yeah pretty much
Go get your bagel son. -
2021-08-25 at 2:50 PM UTCEating is for weak cowards
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2021-08-25 at 2:52 PM UTCOh yeah I forgot your benefits had been stopped.
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2021-08-25 at 3 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson
Again you don't know what you are talking about UL has a program where a company can become UL auditors…authorized to put UL stickers on…instead of them coming every 3 months for your quarterly inspection…you do it yourselves and send the results into UL.
again you missed the point completely. the utility of these "safety" marks is not to guarantee safety, but to insure against liability.
it is to ensure if and when shit happens from the usages of these appliances, be it fire, injury or even death, the insurance company will compensate you fairy and without any excuses not to.
guess what insurance company will do if they can prove it was your negligence that caused shit to happen because your using unsafe, unapproved, cheap appliances."The Goldstar brand air conditioner at issue in the case was certified by LG under UL’s self-certification program known as “Total Certification Program” or TCP. LG claimed the air conditioner complied with UL 484, the standard for room air conditions. But plaintiff’s testing found plastic components were excessively flammable and did not meet the standard and that UL did no testing to confirm compliance."
https://www.safetyresearch.net/ul-self-certification-program-raises-safety-questions/
yes, the reason they're in court is not because theyre debating if the AC unit is safe or unsafe, it was to attribute liability, and who should be the one who compensate for all the damage done amd suffered.
its all about liability. not safety. -
2021-08-25 at 3:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Oh yeah I forgot your benefits had been stopped.
nah they started again because they see capitalist potential in me just like I see capitalist potential in afghan refugees. You can't see the proper order of the capitalist system because you live in a shithole anti competitive marxist communist country where weed is illegal.
you believe people can be non productive, which is impossible. You cannot see proper reality, rely on exploitative immigrant labor. Does your illegal mexican maid have a green card? Because in my country immigrants working in the hospitality, cleaning industry, maids. They have their own business, pay taxes and are legal citizens here.
Even the most lowly workers here have more autonomy and capitalist freedom than your shit hole anti capitalist marxist communist regulatory country LOL ENJOY FLYING YOUR GROUNDED BOEING PLANES FULL OF TERRORISTS
americans would have arrested them for sailing without a permit smh why u hate freedom and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ -
2021-08-25 at 3:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny
again you missed the point completely. the utility of these "safety" marks is not to guarantee safety, but to insure against liability.
Lol...it was my point I made...how can I miss MY point.
My point was you can become your own auditors...FACT.
We looked into it ourselves FACT
If we had gone ahead I can guarantee saftey WOULD have been compromised at some point FACT
Self certification is a joke.
Again 14yrs experience just at this company with UL/TUV/ETL (we've used all 3). As it is ALL 3 are a joke, it's easy to get around their "criteria"
Example: We have a product that uses a long obsolete relay...the UL product certifications calls for that particular relay to be used. Now we could pay $3600 or whatever the fee currently is to get the file revised to specify a new relay..but we don't want to pay 3.6k for UL/ETL to erase the old part number and write in the new one.
...so how do we get around that? I have a board with the old relay on it...when the inspector comes and asks to check the critical components...I give him that board. -
2021-08-25 at 3:08 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Self certification is a joke.
can't afford to compete, too lazy, shit hole 3rd world mexican tier labor too stupid to certify their own products. Get out competed by literally every other country and rely more on your faggot anti capitalist government you communist bitch "YES GOVERNMENT MASTER IT MEETS YOU REGULATION, WE CAN'T APPROVE IT OURSELVES OR WE WILL END UP LIKE BOEING 😭😭😭😭😭😭 WE ARE STUPID AMERICANS AND CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT!!!!"
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson If we had gone ahead I can guarantee saftey WOULD have been compromised at some point FACT
just close down your shitty mexican labor do nothing business and ship it all to Canada and let some real capitalists show you how it's done. Maybe a mop and bucket will be more your speed you can mop up the canadians tim horton coffee in the break room -
2021-08-25 at 3:11 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Example: We have a product that uses a long obsolete relay…the UL product certifications calls for that particular relay to be used. Now we could pay $3600 or whatever the fee currently is to get the file revised to specify a new relay..but we don't want to pay 3.6k for UL/ETL to erase the old part number and write in the new one.
…so how do we get around that? I have a board with the old relay on it…when the inspector comes and asks to check the critical components…I give him that board.
Imagine not being able to afford 3.6k, your company can't afford to compete and will not last. You get around it by innovating and being good capitalist. You are bad capitalist that fails, cuts corners. This is why all american companies get shipped to mexico because it costs less for the same quality work LMAO -
2021-08-25 at 3:19 PM UTC
