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    A College Professor victim of incest [your moreover breastless limestone]
    A lot of people say the only way to handle your excessive drinking is to just give it up forever and write it off. But people who eat too much can learn to eat a healthier amount. Hemmy, I see that getting wasted every evening playing video games or watching tv, or burping and farting at the bar every night isn't a habit I want. But aren't there times it could be a useful tool for lubrication, or as a common drug-use to bond over, where the consequences are worth it?

    What do you think jimmy
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    Bradley African Astronaut
    I can't stop myself from drinking more oncew i start. Lots of alcoholics are like this, i am for sure.

    Very few can restrain themselvers once they start, it's like a crack hit but slow burn style. IT'll kill you for sure too.
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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    what is the point of sobriety, in and of itself?

    societal issues aside, whether or not you use drugs is contingent on what you want to accomplish and whether said drug helps or hinders you. it's all about understanding consequences and balancing benefits
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    Ghost Black Hole
    psychoactive substances are a gift!
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    A College Professor victim of incest [your moreover breastless limestone]
    Originally posted by Bradley I can't stop myself from drinking more oncew i start. Lots of alcoholics are like this, i am for sure.

    Very few can restrain themselvers once they start, it's like a crack hit but slow burn style. IT'll kill you for sure too.
    heard.

    I had got myself into a loop where I would overdo it and give myself a terrible hangover and the day ends up wasted. A wasted day would be having to get up and attempt to be functional - I would be lethargic and feeling like caca, sick, puking several times. Or if it's an option, I can generally sleep most of the day instead , just getting up occasionally to empty my bladder and get some water. Then depending how bad the hangover was I might take that night off from the sauce but if it was a sleeping day and not a puking day I most likely don't miss a beat and just return to drinking that night.

    After a bad hangover I show just a bit of control and don't end up overdoing it to the point of causing sickness the next day, but its like every night I have just a bit more than the night before until eventually it's back to the start. I got quite good at it and can go weeks without having a bad one and ruining a whole day.
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    A College Professor victim of incest [your moreover breastless limestone]
    Originally posted by aldra what is the point of sobriety, in and of itself?

    societal issues aside, whether or not you use drugs is contingent on what you want to accomplish and whether said drug helps or hinders you. it's all about understanding consequences and balancing benefits

    I think the point of sobriety would be to stop abusing my organs ( my body is an electric vessel, of which I am the captain ), and stop neglecting relationships/obligations when being a hungover flake.

    I like your mention of "what you want to accomplish", I've only recently started declaring, and writing down and planning my course for achieving goals. It's really shocking I have gone years without having much of anything planned more than a day or two ahead - working on nothing in particular other than following the routine.

    As far as drugs helping you reach your goals I haven't really ever thought of that. I just read something about how only about 5% of people who try cocaine end up addicted to it so that kind of warmed me up to the idea of trying it. Some people make it sound so bad but really that's not nearly as risky as trying beer was.

    Originally posted by Ghost psychoactive substances are a gift!

    i want a gift
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    Ghost Black Hole
    i've tried all the hard drugs and cocaine and opiates never really "stuck" with me no matter how much i abused them
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    A College Professor victim of incest [your moreover breastless limestone]
    thats whatsup, I'm glad it didn't stick with you.

    I just finished EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE: Why it can matter more than IQ and the author is Daniel Goleman thats him. He shared some interesting insight about what types of personalities are drawn to certain types of drugs. I've never really been into e-books, I like reading a real piece of paper better than having something up in a PDF viewer, but it would be pretty useful to be able to use the search feature to lookup things like this without flipping pieces of paper.

    I found what I was looking for, its in chapter 15;
    alcohol
    Certain emotional patterns seem to make people more likely to find emotional relief in one substance rather than another. For example, there are two emotional pathways to alcoholism. One starts with someone who was high-strung and anxious in childhood, who typically discovers as a teenager that alcohol will calm the anxiety. Very often they are children -usually sons- of alcoholics who themselves have turned to alcohol to soothe their nerves. One biological marker for this pattern is undersecretion of GABA, a neurotransmitter that regulates anxiety -too little GABA is experienced as a high level of tension. … These sons of alcoholics drink to ease their tension, finding in alcohol a relaxation that they could not seem to get otherwise Such people may be vulnerable to abusing sedatives as well as alcohol for the same anxiety-reduction effect.

    A neurophsychological study of sons of alcoholics who at age twelve showed signs of anxiety such as a heightened heart rate in response to stress, as well as impulsivity, found the boys also had poor frontal lobe functioning. Thus the brain areas that might have helped ease their anxiety or control their impulsiveness brought them less help than in other boys. And since the pre-frontal lobes also handle working memory -which holds in mind the consequences of various routes of action while making a decision- their deficit could support a slide into alcoholism by helping them ignore the long-term drawbacks of drinking, even as they found an immediate sedation from anxiety through alcohol.



    A second emotional pathway to alcoholism comes from a high level of agitation, impulsivity, and boredom. This pattern shows up in infancy as being restless, cranky, and hard to handle, in grade school as having the "fidgets," hyperactivity, and getting into trouble, a propensity that as we have seen, can push children to seek out friends on the fringe … As adults, people with this pattern ( which may be tied to deficiencies in two other neurotransmitters, serotonin and MAO) find that alcohol can soothe their agitation. And the fact that they can't stand monotony makes them ready to try anything; coupled with their general impulsivity, it makes them prone to abusing an almost random list of drugs besides alcohol.



    By the time students leave high school, over 90 percent have tried alcohol, yet only about 14 percent eventually become alcoholics; of the millions of Americans who experimented with cocaine, fewer than 5 percent became addicted.

    coke
    While depression can drive some to drink, the metabolic effects of alcohol often simply worsen the depression after a short lift. People who turn to alcohol as an emotional palliative do so much more often to calm anxiety than for depression; an entirely different class of drugs soothes the feelings of people who are depressed -at least temporarily. Feeling chronically unhappy puts people at greater risk for addiction to stimulants such as cocaine, which provide a direct antidote to feeling depressed. One study found that more than half the patients being treated at a clinic for cocaine addiction would have been diagnosed with severe depression before they started their habit, and the deeper the preceding depression, the stronger the habit.

    opes
    Chronic anger may lead to still another kind of susceptability. In a study of the most striking emotional pattern was a lifelong difficulty handling anger and a quickness to rage. Some of the patients themselves said that with opiates they finally felt normal and relaxed.
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    Ghost Black Hole
    Originally posted by A College Professor thats whatsup, I'm glad it didn't stick with you.

    I just finished EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE: Why it can matter more than IQ and the author is Daniel Goleman thats him. He shared some interesting insight about what types of personalities are drawn to certain types of drugs. I've never really been into e-books, I like reading a real piece of paper better than having something up in a PDF viewer, but it would be pretty useful to be able to use the search feature to lookup things like this without flipping pieces of paper.

    I found what I was looking for, its in chapter 15;
    alcohol


    coke


    opes

    what about amphetamines and weed thats my favorite combo. Staying awake for a week on meth and smoking a fat bowl of weed is the best feeling I ever felt
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    Sudo Dark Matter [my hereto riemannian peach]
    Well I am 100% of the first pathway to alcoholism, literally everything in it is me to a T.

    The last time I was an alcoholic I was around a lot of people all the time and now I'm an angry bitter old junkie. I identify with people with addictions because it's all I know. I worry about my kids inheriting the traits I have as both my baby mammers have substance abuse issues. I crave cocaine and alcohol almost every single day but fight off the urges and die a little inside.

    Thank you for this thread, I should read more books but I'm too busy/lazy/depressed. I'm on the brink of a self destructive cycle I can feel it. Thank you for your time
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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    Originally posted by A College Professor opes

    Chronic anger may lead to still another kind of susceptability. In a study of the most striking emotional pattern was a lifelong difficulty handling anger and a quickness to rage. Some of the patients themselves said that with opiates they finally felt normal and relaxed.


    hahaha holy shit I didn't take the book seriously when oct was talking about it but now I might actually give it a read
  12. #12
    Ghost Black Hole
    Feeling chronically unhappy puts people at greater risk for addiction to stimulants such as cocaine, which provide a direct antidote to feeling depressed. One study found that more than half the patients being treated at a clinic for cocaine addiction would have been diagnosed with severe depression before they started their habit, and the deeper the preceding depression, the stronger the habit.

    I agree that stimulants are a good tool to fight against depression. It's probably not the best tool but damn does it work well. SSRI shit fucks me up and I feel like a mass shooter.

    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood I owe a lot of the healing I experienced to illegal psychotropic drugs, fasting, sleep deprivation and meditation.

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    Donald Trump African Astronaut
    ^I remember being really depressed for a long time, then staying up all night once and being amazed at feeling normal.

    Originally posted by A College Professor But people who eat too much can learn to eat a healthier amount.

    Generally by eating different foods. It's harder to go from eating a whole pizza by yourself to eating just one slice than it is to just eat healthier and more nutrient dense foods.
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  14. #14
    Quick Mix Ready African Astronaut
    Quitters
  15. #15
    Jeff Houston
    Never stop drinking


    The only way out is through
  16. #16
    Bradley African Astronaut
    I haven't drank in 23 days. gang gang
  17. #17
    rabbitweed African Astronaut
    Originally posted by aldra what is the point of sobriety, in and of itself?

    It's just nice to feel better.

    There's no drug I can have where I don't feel (at best) 'off' the next day.

    So I balance that against shit I can do better while sober that makes me more excited than getting high.
  18. #18
    AngryOnion Big Wig [the nightly self-effacing broadsheet]
    Oh Boy were to begin.
    Drugs are a god send to those in need of weed, booze, whatever.
    Just don't do the drugs the "DR's" prescribe.
    That shit will kill you.
    Doctors are fucking retards they never do the drugs that they prescribe.
    If I was a doctor I would do all the drugs I could get my hands on just so I could know EXACTLY how it works.
    I have been prescribed Zoloft and it was bad real bad it almost cost me everything.
    Jesus Christ that shit is not ok.
    Then I got a new DR and he got me on a GABA synthetic called acamprosate calc this shit is bad.
    I went off the rails on that one.
    Now I just smoke some weed before bed and drink in moderation.
    Eat heathy and exercise that's key folks.
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    Bradley African Astronaut
    i really liked your post and can relate to it alot AngryONion except that instead of drink in moderation i do meth in moderation and smoke weed all day.

    maybe one day i'll reach ur level but i'ts good to hear you're doing really well.
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  20. #20
    ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ African Astronaut
    Wine, in moderation, is extremely good for your health and longevity.
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