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Alcohol withdrawal. Pain
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2021-02-16 at 1:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by Antifa Member Its used because giving beer at the hospital is taboo, not because its the best option. Like trying to wean off opiates with methadone
the idea behind methadone is the same as what I mentioned; it's constant, predictable and long-acting so junkies have a better chance of setting up a stable life without having to do a lot of shady shit to try to score H all the time. supposedly most opiate addicts get bored and wean themselves off after around 7 years of use.
how well it works is a different story, considering I've read that the majority of methadone users never actually come off it and the same people who push it are also the same people who managed to convince doctors that Oxy was a 'non addictive option'. -
2021-02-16 at 1:31 PM UTCLike I said, that shit will be seen as barbaric within a century. Outdated medical practice.
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2021-02-16 at 1:35 PM UTCI was originally for legalising all drugs, but then I reconsidered because too many people are irresponsible enough to be more than just self-destructive, ie. driving on psychs or parenting on meth.
then I reconsidered again because everything is fake and gay and having to deal with those people might make day to day life a little more interestingThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-02-16 at 2:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I was originally for legalising all drugs, but then I reconsidered because too many people are irresponsible enough to be more than just self-destructive, ie. driving on psychs or parenting on meth.
then I reconsidered again because everything is fake and gay and having to deal with those people might make day to day life a little more interesting
Eh. All we need is an education program and certificate system. Kind of like a mmj card. Tax paid programs with a nominal fee for attendees that will grant adults the ability to purchase whatever drug they want by getting some electronic stamp on their ID. -
2021-02-28 at 2:48 PM UTCI agree methadone isn't the answer for everyone n whatever but its saved my life many many times and am a true believer in mmt
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2021-02-28 at 5:16 PM UTCWinners never quit and quitters never win.
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2021-02-28 at 5:52 PM UTCLEEDS LEEDS LEEDS
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2021-03-01 at 1:47 AM UTC
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2021-03-01 at 2:06 AM UTC
Originally posted by jfakldjfkdaljfalkdfjlkad That is not how it works. The genes you're talking about effect metabolization in the liver via certain CYP450 enzymes and alcohol dehydrogenase enzymes. It doesn't magically make alcohol more/less addictive. Absolutely nobody on Earth has genes that make them immune to the effects of alcohol withdrawal, doesn't matter how efficacious your liver is. For people who don't have this gene, it mostly just means they get drunker and have more of a flushed face due to the toxic byproducts of inefficient metabolization that basically everyone has when consuming more than 1-2 drinks per hour. The alcohol you consume after that point is a little more 'potent' because of this.
SO AS YOU SEE, the genes have absolutely nothing to do with alcohol's addictive properties. That all goes on upstairs and is unaffected by what goes on in your liver. If you drink long term, you're going to have withdrawal effects eventually. It's inevitable. Don't think you can't get all shaky when you're an old man. It's not even just from the withdrawal that shit can be a neurological issue caused by the alcohol as well. (Protip: take vitamin B if you're an alcoholic)
Also the people who have the CYP450 enzyme mutations (mostly redheads and Scandinavians) are kinda fucked sometimes when it comes to other substances since CYP450 enzymes are responsible for metabolizing almost all of the drugs. Lots of people notice it with opiates.
Thats the whole point though.
If your body sucks at metabolizing alcohol, then a small amount of it gets you much more drunk and for a longer time. How to become an alcoholic? Drink a large amount frequently. The larger the amount and the more frequently, the higher the likelihood of dependence. The difference here is that some people can easily metabolize a bottle per day like its nothing, yet others get the same effect from a mere can of beer.
I have seen people who get drunk off of one beer (!), and others who can drink liquor like its nothing much. It takes a lot less for those who get drunk off of one beer to become alcoholics than it does for those who can drink whole bottles. -
2021-03-01 at 2:26 AM UTC
Originally posted by Misguided Russian Thats the whole point though.
If your body sucks at metabolizing alcohol, then a small amount of it gets you much more drunk and for a longer time. How to become an alcoholic? Drink a large amount frequently. The larger the amount and the more frequently, the higher the likelihood of dependence. The difference here is that some people can easily metabolize a bottle per day like its nothing, yet others get the same effect from a mere can of beer.
I have seen people who get drunk off of one beer (!), and others who can drink liquor like its nothing much. It takes a lot less for those who get drunk off of one beer to become alcoholics than it does for those who can drink whole bottles.
There are so many things wrong with your interpretation of this.
Its not better or worse. Its just a different metabolite makeup.
You can't tell drunkenness from anecdotal experience either. I know I've shocked people with how sober I seem. Other people are super obvious about being drunk or on drugs. It says nothing for how intoxicated they are inside.
Nobody "metabolizes a bottle like its nothing" lol. That doesn't even make sense. You either metabolize it or pass it through unchanged. But since humans don't pass alcohol unchanged it doesn't matter.
If you're getting drunk regularly, even a little bit, you are creating physical dependence. A lot of people get off booze and think its just "Ah I just want a drink" because they're not literally shaking or hallucinating yet.
Keep drinking and you'll get there tho.
