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Anyone notice the internet is way less idealistic/libertarian now?

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    Soyboy 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting African Astronaut [scrub the quick-drying deinonychus]
    The 90s had totse, erowid, bluelight, rotten, a zillion newsgroups, etc.

    Nowadays it's all controlled and about money and making you feel bad.
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    because nowadays its been monopolized by just a handful of interlinked companies.
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    and then theres still daily stormer.
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    Ajax African Astronaut [rumor the placative aphakia]
    Everything has always been about money. The internet just took some time to properly sell out.
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    Soyboy 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting African Astronaut [scrub the quick-drying deinonychus]
    Even 10 years ago, around 2010 the internet was still really free. Even sites like google, twitter and facebook. You were free, and could even go a bit wild. It was what built those sites.
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    Ajax African Astronaut [rumor the placative aphakia]
    Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting Even 10 years ago, around 2010 the internet was still really free. Even sites like google, twitter and facebook. You were free, and could even go a bit wild. It was what built those sites.

    On the sites you mentioned, you were never intended to be merely a user. You were intended to be the product.
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    Sudo Naturally Camouflaged [my hereto riemannian peach]
    the decentralization and freedom has been eroded over time. Net Neutrality was an important component of that. Now everyone has an agenda and is acting on behalf of others instead of being their weird old selves and sharing their ideas with the world. Fuck everything
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    Originally posted by Ajax On the sites you mentioned, you were never intended to be merely a user. You were intended to be the product.

    try something less cliche.

    and true.
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    rabbitweed African Astronaut
    The internet is still that, just not on "platforms". Don't expect a free speech experience on the servers of huge tech companies like google/twitch/youtube/reddit/twitter etc.
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    Japan-Is-Eternal Naturally Camouflaged
    Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting The 90s had totse, erowid, bluelight, rotten, a zillion newsgroups, etc.

    Nowadays it's all controlled and about money and making you feel bad.

    I think about this all the time
    The internet is so boring and sterile now.

    I miss the days of posting on totse, then trolling chat rooms on Yahoo messenger and later playing some simfiles in Stepmania.
    Bemanistyle doesn't even have simfiles anymore it's just a news site for Japanese music games.
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    netstat Tuskegee Airman
    The web back then was kinda still a niche thing for nerds and now it's modeled after mainstream society. Broader society doesn't let you hold the sort of opinions many of us know to be credible but go against what's trendy in the mainstream milieu. That plus market forces drove it toward centralisation and censorship.
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    Speedy Parker Dark Matter
    How do market forces censor in a truly free market? Hmmmm
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    netstat Tuskegee Airman
    Assuming a truly free market could exist which it never has in the history of markets, a company that is incentivised to make as much money as possible will respond to social pressure to censor certain views if they deem the benefits (placating a large relatively ideologically uniform userbase giving them less incentive to leave the service) to be worth the costs (users and content lost to censorship). That's why facebook will happily shoah alt-right content: the number of users who want to see such views expressed is tiny relative to the number of users who are outraged by it and might choose to use the site less (less ad revenue) or close their account altogether if it's allowed.
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    Speedy Parker Dark Matter
    Originally posted by netstat Assuming a truly free market could exist which it never has in the history of markets, a company that is incentivised to make as much money as possible will respond to social pressure to censor certain views if they deem the benefits (placating a large relatively ideologically uniform userbase giving them less incentive to leave the service) to be worth the costs (users and content lost to censorship). That's why facebook will happily shoah alt-right content: the number of users who want to see such views expressed is tiny relative to the number of users who are outraged by it and might choose to use the site less (less ad revenue) or close their account altogether if it's allowed.

    The thing is the cancel culture is a minority so how is that a market force?
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    netstat Tuskegee Airman
    It's not a minority that doesn't want to see their newsfeeds or whatever plastered with what they consider 'extremist' opinions. Imagine facebook was as laissez-faire as this site with respect to allowing people like JiE to shitpost about niggers and kikes all day. This would drive off far more people than it would attract and bring even more negative attention from the media which already cost them millions of users from the privacy scandals. Therefore facebook considers it a good business decision to engage in censorship.
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    Speedy Parker Dark Matter
    Originally posted by netstat It's not a minority that doesn't want to see their newsfeeds or whatever plastered with what they consider 'extremist' opinions. Imagine facebook was as laissez-faire as this site with respect to allowing people like JiE to shitpost about niggers and kikes all day. This would drive off far more people than it would attract and bring even more negative attention from the media which already cost them millions of users from the privacy scandals. Therefore facebook considers it a good business decision to engage in censorship.

    LOL You have bitten are and are hooked. Why is it that only conservitive viewpoints are censored? Are you saying that only conservatives have 'extremist' opinions? You can report Hamas on facebook and nothing happens. But say the wrong thing about a BLM or anything not supporting it and BAM! Down comes the hammer.
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    Soyboy 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting African Astronaut [scrub the quick-drying deinonychus]
    Originally posted by netstat It's not a minority that doesn't want to see their newsfeeds or whatever plastered with what they consider 'extremist' opinions. Imagine facebook was as laissez-faire as this site with respect to allowing people like JiE to shitpost about niggers and kikes all day. This would drive off far more people than it would attract and bring even more negative attention from the media which already cost them millions of users from the privacy scandals. Therefore facebook considers it a good business decision to engage in censorship.

    Bullshit, they censor all sorts of things that are popular and that make them money, like Alex Jones or Molyneux. The "oh it's just money, these rich jedis only care about money" argument is pure horseshit - maybe Anglos genuinely only care about money, but jedis are way smarter than that.
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    Speedy Parker Dark Matter
    Originally posted by netstat It's not a minority that doesn't want to see their newsfeeds or whatever plastered with what they consider 'extremist' opinions. Imagine facebook was as laissez-faire as this site with respect to allowing people like JiE to shitpost about niggers and kikes all day. This would drive off far more people than it would attract and bring even more negative attention from the media which already cost them millions of users from the privacy scandals. Therefore facebook considers it a good business decision to engage in censorship.

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    netstat Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by Speedy Parker Why is it that only conservitive viewpoints are censored?

    Funny thing to say when facebook banned the pages for crimethinc, PNW youth liberation front and it's going down less than a month ago. All left wing pages. You only see conservative viewpoints being censored because that's what you want to see.
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    Soyboy 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting African Astronaut [scrub the quick-drying deinonychus]
    Originally posted by netstat Funny thing to say when facebook banned the pages for crimethinc, PNW youth liberation front and it's going down less than a month ago. All left wing pages. You only see conservative viewpoints being censored because that's what you want to see.

    Did they criticise Israel or something?
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