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Did existence begin or is it eternal?

  1. #61
    Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by Obbe What are you asking?

    Even if we find a self sufficient circle of reasons... Why that?
  2. #62
    -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
    There's a clue as to what it all really is. What was there before everything came into existence, before matter and empty space was there?
  3. #63
    Originally posted by Japan-Is-Eternal https://vocaroo.com/i/s0sKp4d2Ks7e

    This is as far as we get gents

    Spitballing, trying to hit the moon and expecting something to stick

    Its still fun to do when it's dark out and we do it with roman candles though, crickets chirpping, smores roasting, cold beers, laughing, telling stories

    Forgetting where we left off and starting over again

    Hearts sunken at the sight of those who do the same but with anger, hate, and aims of dominion
  4. #64
    Originally posted by -SpectraL There's a clue as to what it all really is. What was there before everything came into existence, before matter and empty space was there?

    I dunno, but like I said before, I think we're eventually gonna have sex with something, and I think we're getting there quicker and quicker


    Wouldn't it be fabulous if planet Earth got married to a female planet and we all had sex together as one?

    And then we get to decide whether to be a loyal partner or an abusive cheater
  5. #65
    Originally posted by Big League jedi Sure but only the start or lack thereof is relevant.

    but is something that have a start but not an end 'eternal' ?
  6. #66
    Originally posted by Big League jedi Btw our universe is speculated to end.

    corrected.
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  7. #67
    Originally posted by mmQ Time, like pain, is an illusion.

    you tell yourself that in the torture chamber.
  8. #68
    Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by vindicktive vinny corrected.

    Incorrected. Thermodynamic equilibrium = inevitable.
  9. #69
    Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by vindicktive vinny but is something that have a start but not an end 'eternal' ?

    No because if it starts to exist, whatever amount of time it has existed is finite, just growing larger. To be eternal eternal it needs to have no beginning, and the present moment is "our end" before it transitions to the next, which may have no real end.
  10. #70
    Originally posted by Big League jedi Incorrected. Thermodynamic equilibrium = inevitable.

    quantum dynamics arent the same as thermals.
  11. #71
    Originally posted by Big League jedi No because if it starts to exist, whatever amount of time it has existed is finite, just growing larger. To be eternal eternal it needs to have no beginning, and the present moment is "our end" before it transitions to the next, which may have no real end.

    no, theres no law that says anything that starts must have an end.

    if the universe is infinite and if i kick your ass so haard that your launched into space at the speed of light your going to be travel in the direction your kicked for an eternity.
  12. #72
    Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by vindicktive vinny quantum dynamics aren't the same as thermals.

    Statistical mechanics is the very basis of QM. Remember when I told you about those rippling fields that are what particles actually are? Eventually all the energy in the universe will be distributed evenly and anything that could be described as matter or energy will be gone. So those fields, imagine them like a grid, will just be flat.
  13. #73
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Big League jedi Statistical mechanics is the very basis of QM. Remember when I told you about those rippling fields that are what particles actually are? Eventually all the energy in the universe will be distributed evenly and anything that could be described as matter or energy will be gone. So those fields, imagine them like a grid, will just be flat.

    Are those fields eternal, or did they begin?
  14. #74
    Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by vindicktive vinny no, theres no law that says anything that starts must have an end.

    I didn't say there was. I said that no matter how long it exists for, it won't be eternal, it will be a finite amount of time. I'm not saying it absolutely needs to have some forward "end". Just that eventually it will reach a state where there will be no difference between all its states, thermodynamic equilibrium. And at that point it will be meaningless to say it continues.

    if the universe is infinite and if i kick your ass so haard that your launched into space at the speed of light your going to be travel in the direction your kicked for an eternity.

    I'd travel for a very, very long time for sure. But not an eternity.
  15. #75
    Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by Obbe Are those fields eternal, or did they begin?

    That's pretty much the same question. They might have come into existence at the very moment of the big bang, or they might not have.
  16. #76
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Big League jedi That's pretty much the same question. They might have come into existence at the very moment of the big bang, or they might not have.

    Would that be significantly different?
  17. #77
    Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by Obbe Would that be significantly different?

    I don't know.
  18. #78
    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Big League jedi I don't know.

    If you don't know any significant difference, does it really matter?
  19. #79
    frala Avant garde shartist
    Did numbers always exist or did we discover them and they were non existent before then? What are numbers? What is existence? WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

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  20. #80
    Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by Obbe If you don't know any significant difference, does it really matter?

    What are you babbling about dumbass? My epistemic position doesn't have any bearing on the ontological truth.
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