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Trump wanted NASA to send a guy to Mars by the end of his first term, NASA cucked

  1. Soyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
    https://science.slashdot.org/story/19/01/24/1720235/trump-offered-nasa-unlimited-funding-to-put-people-on-mars-by-2020-report-says

    This makes me so announcedly fearful.
  2. Technologist African Astronaut
    You’re fearful of something that isn’t going to happen? NASA will go to Mars.....in their own time. Trump won’t get his way, they already told him this.
  3. aldra Dark Matter [my considered impending distributor]
    word f i l t e r for a n g e r y

    didn't he chop NASA's budget?
  4. Soyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
    Originally posted by aldra word f i l t e r for a n g e r y

    didn't he chop NASA's budget?

    Why shouldn't he have? They haven't done anything besides waste money since the 1960s.
  5. aldra Dark Matter [my considered impending distributor]
    Slashing the budget seems counterproductive if he wanted to initiate a completely new space program though
  6. Soyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
    Originally posted by aldra Slashing the budget seems counterproductive if he wanted to initiate a completely new space program though

    The only interesting things happening in space are the private things, like SpaceX and Blue Origin.

    Everything everyone else is at is literally 1960s tech - the Russian Proton rocket that supplies the ISS first flew in 1965 for instance.

    The kind of people who become bureaucrats are only interested in getting paid, they don't generally care about doing a good job, and sure as hell aren't interested in having to learn new things.

    I bet if Trump had offered Elon Musk unlimited shekels to go to Mars within 4 years he would have said "yes".
  7. Jiggaboo_Johnson Naturally Camouflaged
    Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life The only interesting things happening in space are the private things, like SpaceX and Blue Origin.

    I think the stuff China is doing is very interesting and likely to overtake the "private things". I expect China will have a man on the moon before US or private business will.
  8. Soyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]


    China is blowing big money on space, especially when you remember they don't spend it all on crap like diversity.

    They are the #1 country by space launches, but I don't know anything about their launchers, etc.
  9. aldra Dark Matter [my considered impending distributor]
    consider that they're also not getting raped by government contractors; the majority of their domestic suppliers are state-owned - they're getting a lot more per dollar spent
  10. Soyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
    Apparently their most successful booster, the same one that put their probe on the moon recently, inaugurated its career by vaporizing an entire village near the launch pad.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March_3B
  11. aldra Dark Matter [my considered impending distributor]
    lol nice

    seal of quality
  12. somebody should point out the racist nature of european space agencys rocket.

    they call their rocket ariane 5 [aryan 5].

    thats white power.
  13. aldra Dark Matter [my considered impending distributor]
    Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Why shouldn't he have? They haven't done anything besides waste money since the 1960s.

    The point I was absentmindedly trying to make here is that he cut funding and didn't make any effort to restructure, didn't appoint an auditor or analyst or anything, basically didn't do anything to improve the agency then 'hoped' they'd be able to initiate an entirely new space program and succeed inside 4 years. It's absurd.

    Now with his talk of a 'space force' it seems as though he means to fold much of NASA's function into the military, which will likely just lead to even more cost for even less result thanks to MIC contractors looking to maxi-milk the government's budget
  14. Soyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
    Originally posted by aldra The point I was absentmindedly trying to make here is that he cut funding and didn't make any effort to restructure, didn't appoint an auditor or analyst or anything, basically didn't do anything to improve the agency then 'hoped' they'd be able to initiate an entirely new space program and succeed inside 4 years. It's absurd.

    Now with his talk of a 'space force' it seems as though he means to fold much of NASA's function into the military, which will likely just lead to even more cost for even less result thanks to MIC contractors looking to maxi-milk the government's budget

    It sounds like he doesn't understand the technical issues, and also thinks NASA are a bunch of low-energy losers.

    But NASA haven't done much to convince anyone that much different - it seems like every large project they start they fuck up (like the Hubble), they wind up delivering a dog (like the space shuttle), or they take forever to deliver on (like the James Webb Telescope).

    Putting robots on Mars seems to be about all NASA can do correctly - and they've been doing that since 1975. In other words they can't seem to do anything new.

    I don't think it's a stretch to blame that on the corporate structure of the organisation.
  15. Originally posted by aldra The point I was absentmindedly trying to make here is that he cut funding and didn't make any effort to restructure, didn't appoint an auditor or analyst or anything, basically didn't do anything to improve the agency then 'hoped' they'd be able to initiate an entirely new space program and succeed inside 4 years. It's absurd.

    Now with his talk of a 'space force' it seems as though he means to fold much of NASA's function into the military, which will likely just lead to even more cost for even less result thanks to MIC contractors looking to maxi-milk the government's budget

    isnt nasa in the process of outsourcing all their space thing to the TIC ? t, for technology.
  16. Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life It sounds like he doesn't understand the technical issues, and also thinks NASA are a bunch of low-energy losers.

    But NASA haven't done much to convince anyone that much different - it seems like every large project they start they fuck up (like the Hubble), they wind up delivering a dog (like the space shuttle), or they take forever to deliver on (like the James Webb Telescope).

    Putting robots on Mars seems to be about all NASA can do correctly - and they've been doing that since 1975. In other words they can't seem to do anything new.

    I don't think it's a stretch to blame that on the corporate structure of the organisation.

    or maybe its their hippy culture.
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