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2016-09-23 at 2:58 AM UTC..
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2016-09-23 at 2:59 AM UTCgirls are icky.
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2016-09-23 at 3:12 AM UTCi wanna live in a computer and date anime boys :o
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2016-09-23 at 7:03 AM UTC
I've largely lost the desire to attempt serious communication with anyone, not out of a sense of elitism.
What is the purpose of living a "full" life? You achieve something, and then it passes. Countless moments passing. Is there a planck length for time? Ah, there is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_time
Regardless, it's like moving in a finite stream, always trapped in the present. Related to experience, the hedonic treadmill is something everyone should understand; it gives you an insight to the cruelty (not literal) of biology.
What are memories other than shadows of experience? Of course there's a psychological impact of experience, everything rooted in/founded upon biology>physical/material reality (not suggesting there's any other), with status, for example, having a long-term impact, an effect on your self-perception. You could attempt to find alternatives and suppress negative impacts, and it is possible, but fighting against eons of evolution is rather difficult. That aside, you have countless moments past, think of all the hours that have gone by in years. What percent do you really think back on and how valuable and lasting were those moments really?
So you have these shadows of experience in your mind, being shifted by your natural biological triggers, rather than grasping the reins yourself, but, if you were in terrible pain, or had alzheimer's, or simply becoming older with a weakening body, various neurological and endocrine factors lowering your basal hedonic state, your experience, the constant repetitions, having reduced novelty, and to truly recall would be to experience, but you can never truly experience it again. When your standard mode is pain and suffering recalling a happy thought will not bring you fully to that level, like a point system, you have a set + points and are starting from a -. Then death comes and you return to the place you were before you were born, a state of non-existence unable to experience anything, and regardless of any comfort your aspirations may have given you while alive, for you, they amount to nothing, because there is no longer any you.
So what's the purpose of chasing hedonism or, more importantly, continuing to live, if you plan/expect to die? You could find your purpose in others, but clearly very few people devote themselves to attempting to find the mode of maximum altruism/utility gain for others, difficulty aside. The overwhelming majority have very poorly developed principles. Think of it, this moment I am happy, possibly the happiest, then I can likely expect no better. At which point in the continuum is this meaningful or, more importantly, the moment when life is no longer worth living?
I'm not concerned with hedonism or happiness, a "happy life" is an exceedingly crude goal.
The purpose of living a full life is to enjoy yourself, I think. Life has whatever purpose you ascribe to it.
You sound like someone who is afraid to live, or incredibly and cripplingly apathetic. Life is not about saving memories, we are not computers. You cannot hold onto things forever, you enjoy them, cherish them while they last and try to let go when the moment does. Personally I chase for those brief moments in my history when I am truly happy, I chase them precisely because I know I will die. I don't think there's anything wrong in chasing hedonism and chasing things that won't last
Do you see it cruel because you feel you cannot attain happiness? You use the disease example, do you feel as if you have a disease which stunts you from feeling happiness? When is the last time you strived for anything of this sort? -
2016-09-23 at 8:01 AM UTCInaccurate impression, boyo. It's not about fear or a belief of being unable to attain happiness, it's superseding biological instinct, not being a slave to DNA, a body you did not choose to be born into and everything that comes with it. Detachment, breaking of illusions, ceasing to chase the impermanent and transient. Are Buddhist monks generally in a state of unhappiness? Research conducted seems to suggest the contrary.
You're after wind. It's an incredibly childish and silly way to live your life, regardless of whether the vast majority choose to live us such or are at least strongly motivated by it.
Apathy? Simply stating that this isn't a goal doesn't mean that there is no goal. I see my body as more of a puppet. a machine, tool. It's what I'm trapped in and the vessel that interacts with the external world. -
2016-09-23 at 12:47 PM UTC
Inaccurate impression, boyo. It's not about fear or a belief of being unable to attain happiness, it's superseding biological instinct, not being a slave to DNA,
Ah but is it really? Is it not your DNA that has laid the blueprint for the brain you possess? I am not a determinist but i would say the brain determines personality and the way in which you interpret the world around you and your own thought process. Is "superseding your biological instinct" not your biological imperative? Is your escape to transhumanism not a search for a purpose higher than yourself, a search most certainly human in nature.
Talk about 'her' and memories, that song ^ reminds me of my first gf, and not in a depressing way. I was with her at her home and i was happy, the radio was on and then this song came on, and i thought, hm, i am going to remember this and to this day i do as if it was yesterday, isn't that something?
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2016-09-23 at 5:56 PM UTC
Inaccurate impression, boyo. It's not about fear or a belief of being unable to attain happiness, it's superseding biological instinct, not being a slave to DNA, a body you did not choose to be born into and everything that comes with it. Detachment, breaking of illusions, ceasing to chase the impermanent and transient. Are Buddhist monks generally in a state of unhappiness? Research conducted seems to suggest the contrary.
You're after wind. It's an incredibly childish and silly way to live your life, regardless of whether the vast majority choose to live us such or are at least strongly motivated by it.
Apathy? Simply stating that this isn't a goal doesn't mean that there is no goal. I see my body as more of a puppet. a machine, tool. It's what I'm trapped in and the vessel that interacts with the external world.
Why the hell would you want to overcome your biological instinct? Are you seriously likening yourself to a buddhist monk? They don't say "fuck my human body" they embrace love while still embracing detachment, they embrace human experiences and connecting with people while not needing things, they literally chase eternal happiness as well so I have no idea what you're getting on about.
You are incredibly apathetic. You see yourself as "trapped in my human body" and feel the need to overcome that, you see no point in attaining happiness. Apathy is not dictated by goals, I'm not saying you don't have goals. I'm saying that at least in terms of being happy, you are apathetic. Calling the search for happiness "silly" and "childish" is absolutely ridiculous. Not everybody wishes to be a robot and not everybody shares your views of it being pointless, not everybody has the same definition of pointless. There is a reward at the end and people enjoy the reward while it lasts. Trying to overcome your own hedonistic tendencies does not make you some superior being.
Tell me, what are your goals?
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2016-09-23 at 9:09 PM UTCNot everybody shares your views of it being not-pointless, too.
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2016-09-24 at 2:53 PM UTCGood thread.
OP should kill itself. -
2016-09-25 at 7:48 AM UTC
Me too, and i t wasn't that bad, definitely better than the vast majority.
How so? Even the "twist" was so painfully contrived (a point you yourself bring up) that it hardly warrants mention. It fails as sci-fi, which is OK, lots of good art does. The problem is that it fails to redeem itself in any other genre so far as I've been able to determine, it's not particularly good romance, it's middling social commentary, at best it's bringing an obvious aesop to the already vanishing corner of society that doesn't already admit the ontological possibility of non-human persons which you'll forgive me for considering middling art.
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2016-09-25 at 7:58 AM UTC
I am not a determinist but i would say the brain determines personality and the way in which you interpret the world around you and your own thought process.
Do you think there's any causative force acting on behavior than the brain? Do you think there are any non-physical forces acting on the brain? If the answer to both is no then how can you call yourself anything other than a determinist? If your behavior is a product of brain-states and the brain is purely physical then how could anything be other than the playing out of physical laws upon initial states? Indeterminism seems like one avenue of approach (although I'll argue it's incoherent in relevant dimensions) but it doesn't give you the libertarian free will that I presume prompts your rejection of determinism. I'm curious, I won't try to anticipate your response but I think there are interesting problems you face either way and want to know how you deal with them. -
2016-09-25 at 8:14 AM UTC
Do you think there's any causative force acting on behavior than the brain? Do you think there are any non-physical forces acting on the brain? If the answer to both is no then how can you call yourself anything other than a determinist? If your behavior is a product of brain-states and the brain is purely physical then how could anything be other than the playing out of physical laws upon initial states? Indeterminism seems like one avenue of approach (although I'll argue it's incoherent in relevant dimensions) but it doesn't give you the libertarian free will that I presume prompts your rejection of determinism. I'm curious, I won't try to anticipate your response but I think there are interesting problems you face either way and want to know how you deal with them.
plz fill my holes -
2016-09-25 at 9:19 AM UTCI really don't care about Her.
Do you think there's any causative force acting on behavior than the brain? Do you think there are any non-physical forces acting on the brain? If the answer to both is no then how can you call yourself anything other than a determinist? If your behavior is a product of brain-states and the brain is purely physical then how could anything be other than the playing out of physical laws upon initial states? Indeterminism seems like one avenue of approach (although I'll argue it's incoherent in relevant dimensions) but it doesn't give you the libertarian free will that I presume prompts your rejection of determinism. I'm curious, I won't try to anticipate your response but I think there are interesting problems you face either way and want to know how you deal with them.
Lanny, have you seen this? I thought it was amusing.
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2016-09-25 at 12:24 PM UTC
Do you think there's any causative force acting on behavior than the brain? Do you think there are any non-physical forces acting on the brain? If the answer to both is no then how can you call yourself anything other than a determinist? If your behavior is a product of brain-states and the brain is purely physical then how could anything be other than the playing out of physical laws upon initial states? Indeterminism seems like one avenue of approach (although I'll argue it's incoherent in relevant dimensions) but it doesn't give you the libertarian free will that I presume prompts your rejection of determinism. I'm curious, I won't try to anticipate your response but I think there are interesting problems you face either way and want to know how you deal with them.
I don't know dude. I would say: Did you not use free will to ask me this? -
2016-09-25 at 6:13 PM UTC
I don't know dude. I would say: Did you not use free will to ask me this?
But the concept of free will itself is determined in the sense that it was not lanny who created the concept, it was not his brain that made up free will and it was outside forces that determined that he lived in a time where his particular brain would be presented with this concept. Further, his querry relies on previous veins of conversation that got to the point where he asked the question. I see that as determinism in that your response to something determined that he ask the question.
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2016-09-25 at 7:43 PM UTCI'm posting this out of my own free will and nobody can prove otherwise >:(
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2016-09-25 at 7:46 PM UTCI'm guna get myself a gf because I have nothing else to do with my life right now so I might as well be getting laid
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2016-09-25 at 8:02 PM UTC
I'm guna get myself a gf because I have nothing else to do with my life right now so I might as well be getting laid
How have you attempted this before?
I think it would be interesting to target the punk of goth scene, as long as they aren't annoying. -
2016-09-25 at 8:13 PM UTCMy last girlfriend lied about having cancer and miscarriage and I ended up in a mental health hospital so my track record isn't good. This one works most the time tho so I'll be all right
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2016-09-27 at 11:58 AM UTCStep 1 to getting a girlfriend complete. On to step 2!
