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2018-03-14 at 6:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick I can attest to the usefulness of this combination, too. Excessively productive rn
from what i was reading the adrafinil converts into modafinil...and i think ive taken that before, but im not sure...it could have been amphetamines. i wasnt paying much attention at the time (4am for a 8am flight) but i recall them saying something about the drug being a stimulant without being too stimulating and after taking it i was bouncing off the walls. -
2018-03-14 at 6:38 PM UTCAdrafinil is a third as potent as modafinil apparently. And despite it converting into modafinil, people still claim the difference is quite wide. I'd really like to try real modafinil to compare. It probably doesn't completely convert into modafinil. Analogues never really do.
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2018-03-14 at 7:26 PM UTCroyal jelly
ginseng
gingko biloba
sertraline (SSRI drugs are nootropics)
mirtizapine (indirectly increases serotonin)
weed
bundy
fish oil
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2018-03-14 at 10:15 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-03-14 at 11:29 PM UTCYeah, not to be rude but that list sounds like a combination of the limited selection of OTC stimulants available to US adolescents and staples from your psychiatrist. I wouldn't call it a nootropic stack, except for the fish oil, and, depending on who you ask, gingko.
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2018-03-15 at 12:21 AM UTCits just stuff i have in my house or can buy for a dollar at the corner store
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2018-03-15 at 12:24 AM UTCantidepressants cause neurogenesis. if they aren't causing you side effects and work for you they definitely are nootropic. not everyone has to pile and try out hundreds of chemicals to have a therapeutic response. if that's the case for you it just means you're never going to get any better no matter what you do.
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2018-03-15 at 12:54 AM UTC
Originally posted by lempoid loompus antidepressants cause neurogenesis. if they aren't causing you side effects and work for you they definitely are nootropic. not everyone has to pile and try out hundreds of chemicals to have a therapeutic response. if that's the case for you it just means you're never going to get any better no matter what you do.
Your definition of nootropic isutterly meaninglesshighly flexible. By that logic, someone who doesn't experience any negative effects from heroin and achieves their preferred state of consciousness is reaping the benefits of a nootropic. For a drug to fall into that category generally requires that it not produce negative side-effects within therapeutic usage - this is not the case with SSRI's, which most patients report to cause them at least one intolerable drawback so that they start on another, and then another, etc. Lots of substances cause neurogenesis when taken long-term, but not all of them are prone to making you gain weight or lose empathy or have suicidal thoughts. If you are taking an SSRI that works for you, that's great, but don't pretend like a significant number of patients don't have difficulties with them. -
2018-03-15 at 1:01 AM UTCwell heroin doesn't cause neurogenesis, i'm pretty sure it reduces it
i'm of course talking about what works for me. why the fuck would it matter what generalizations i can make about a class of chemicals when i personally respond to them without any side effects. im talking about what i'm taking, not what you're taking. the mechanism of action is only effective due to the indirect increases in neurogenesis, and my body can use that neurogenesis without detriments, therefore it is a nootropic for me -
2018-03-15 at 1:09 AM UTC
Originally posted by lempoid loompus well heroin doesn't cause neurogenesis, i'm pretty sure it reduces it
i'm of course talking about what works for me. why the fuck would it matter what generalizations i can make about a class of chemicals when i personally respond to them without any side effects. im talking about what i'm taking, not what you're taking. the mechanism of action is only effective due to the indirect increases in neurogenesis, and my body can use that neurogenesis without detriments, therefore it is a nootropic for me
It really doesn't matter unless you want to be a pedantic twat about it like I am. If you're benefiting from your prescribed SSRI and have no side-effects that you can't tolerate, that's fantastic. They're cheap, they're easy to get prescribed, and, if you find the right one, they can work very well. I wish I could respond as positively as you do to them, but the majority of people who try SSRI's don't have such glowing experiences, so I hope that you can understand my scepticism. While I maintain that they are categorically non-nootropic, I'm interested to know why you think otherwise. Are there cognitive benefits that you attribute to using them? How has the condition they were prescribed for changed over the course of your therapy? -
2018-03-15 at 1:10 AM UTCNootropics aren't more effective than placebo are they?
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2018-03-15 at 1:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by Jeremus Nootropics aren't more effective than placebo are they?
Yes and no. Some nootropics carry a number of very well-documented benefits that can be used for general cognitive enhancement, or to treat more serious illnesses like dementia. Piracetam is one example of such a chemical, as there's a mountain of research out there to confirm that it can be mildly helpful in a few different applications. If you find yourself seriously considering nootropics, I would start there. -
2018-03-15 at 7:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick It really doesn't matter unless you want to be a pedantic twat about it like I am. If you're benefiting from your prescribed SSRI and have no side-effects that you can't tolerate, that's fantastic. They're cheap, they're easy to get prescribed, and, if you find the right one, they can work very well. I wish I could respond as positively as you do to them, but the majority of people who try SSRI's don't have such glowing experiences, so I hope that you can understand my scepticism. While I maintain that they are categorically non-nootropic, I'm interested to know why you think otherwise. Are there cognitive benefits that you attribute to using them? How has the condition they were prescribed for changed over the course of your therapy?
the cognitive benefits are the same benefits that are the reduction of cognitive deficits in depression/etc and proliferation of neurons in the hippocampus
royal jelly and bundy both cause gliogenesis. ginseng reduces DNA damage. ginkgo alters dopamine levels in the PFC for executive functioning. -
2018-03-15 at 8:54 AM UTC
Originally posted by §m£ÂgØL2becausescronfuckeduptheforum They absolutely work. Some more than others, but take 200mg of adrafinil with 100mg of phenylpiracetam and I guarantee that you'll feel like a boss nigga
This plus 300mg citicoline, 100mg caffeine and 200mg l-theanine is my stack for days that I didn't get enough sleep
Originally posted by infinityshock im going to try that shit
ive been reading up on that stuff…and the caffeine thing isnt doing it for me like it used to
Make sure to get a choline source if you think you might be deficient
If you're choline deficient and take a racetam you will get massive untreatable headaches -
2018-03-15 at 10 AM UTC
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2018-03-15 at 11:38 AM UTCMore hilarity. People giving and taking medical advice from each other in this collection of fuck ups.
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2018-03-15 at 2:52 PM UTC
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2018-03-15 at 3:27 PM UTC
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2018-03-15 at 3:46 PM UTC
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2018-03-15 at 4:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by Juicebox Make sure to get a choline source if you think you might be deficient
i eat so many calories from so many varied food sources...excessive protein included...i doubt ill be deficient in it.
If you're choline deficient and take a racetam you will get massive untreatable headaches
