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2018-03-10 at 8:54 PM UTC
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2018-03-10 at 8:57 PM UTCtrolling brits since 2003 LOL
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2018-03-10 at 8:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic Are you kidding me? Every hard opiate user I know has suffered from depression, apathy and a whole host of other mental issues from using. Just because it won't put you in psychosis like meth doesn't mean it doesn't affect your brain.
You got it upside down m8. Mental issues and depression lead to self-medication with i.e. heroin. Now if you sell everything and end up on the street because of your habit, sure. It's going to suck a lot more. However it's mental issues -> drug use. Not the other way around. At least as far as opiates are concerned. -
2018-03-10 at 9:02 PM UTC
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2018-03-10 at 9:06 PM UTCare you guys really trying to say depression isn't a symptom of heroin withdrawal?
even if it wasn't, the rest of my points are still valid. i can't believe i'm arguing with people that heroin use is harmful lol. sure maybe it's not as harmful as meth, that doesn't mean it's fucking good for you -
2018-03-10 at 9:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic are you guys really trying to say depression isn't a symptom of heroin withdrawal?
No we're not saying that, that would be retarded. All i am saying is mental problems exist before people turn to drugs. Also, with something like meth you need to worry about shit like excito-toxicity literally damaging your brain. As far as i am aware opiates don't cause it. Perhaps our definitions of mental issues are different. I mean, permanent damage. -
2018-03-10 at 9:11 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic are you guys really trying to say depression isn't a symptom of heroin withdrawal?
even if it wasn't, the rest of my points are still valid. i can't believe i'm arguing with people that heroin use is harmful lol. sure maybe it's not as harmful as meth, that doesn't mean it's fucking good for you
heroin is such a misunderstood drug due partly to war on drugs propaganda and partly for the fact that prohibition makes it a lot more dangerous than it actually is. add to that that its a mans drug, yet you got way too many little boys playing with it who can't handle it and go fucking themselves up. on top of that you've got a lot of junkies who use it along with shit loads of alcohol, crack and benzo's, which isn't a great combination, but the other substances are the ones causing the most harm, but everyone just assumes its the heroin.
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2018-03-10 at 9:14 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie No we're not saying that, that would be retarded. All i am saying is mental problems exist before people turn to drugs. Also, with something like meth you need to worry about shit like excito-toxicity literally damaging your brain. As far as i am aware opiates don't cause it. Perhaps our definitions of mental issues are different. I mean, permanent damage.
You might not be saying that, but that's what narc said. That's what started the whole argument. -
2018-03-10 at 9:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist heroin is such a misunderstood drug due partly to war on drugs propaganda and partly for the fact that prohibition makes it a lot more dangerous than it actually is. add to that that its a mans drug, yet you got way too many little boys playing with it who can't handle it and go fucking themselves up. on top of that you've got a lot of junkies who use it along with shit loads of alcohol, crack and benzo's, which isn't a great combination, but the other substances are the ones causing the most harm, but everyone just assumes its the heroin.
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Nothing I have said contradicts that. You're now trying to make it look like you were arguing only that heroin is less harmful than benzos, crack and alcohol, probably 3 of the most harmful substances that people will ingest willingly to ever exist. -
2018-03-10 at 9:19 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic I mean surely you recognize that tolerance is something that happens when you get addicted to opiates, right? If someone started using heroin, or for arguments sake, any pharmaceutical grade strong opioid daily, after a couple years they wouldn't be getting the same euphoria, right? Can we agree with that? And can we agree that this is a result of the brain adapting to higher levels of opioids and dopamine? Then the next logical step is to recognize that when the opioid use is stopped, those receptors need
You might not be saying that, but that's what narc said. That's what started the whole argument.
need?? what??
opiates cause the brain to adjust sensitivity levels when you're using a strong pain killer all the time. that's what withdrawals are, you brain takes a little while to adjust the settings back to normal, but it does do it. its why when on cold turkey you'll notice colors look brighter, you smell things more and your sense of touch is so damn sensitive. but tolerance very quickly goes back to normal when you don't use for a while.
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2018-03-10 at 9:21 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist need?? what??
opiates cause the brain to adjust sensitivity levels when you're using a strong pain killer all the time. that's what withdrawals are, you brain takes a little while to adjust the settings back to normal, but it does do it. its why when on cold turkey you'll notice colors look brighter, you smell things more and your sense of touch is so damn sensitive. but tolerance very quickly goes back to normal when you don't use for a while.
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I was in the process of writing a more detailed reply but decided fuck it. I can see you're resorting to arguing semantics though lol. Like I was really trying to imply that the universe would implode if you don't get opiates or something. -
2018-03-10 at 11:03 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist opiates cause the brain to adjust sensitivity levels when you're using a strong pain killer all the time. that's what withdrawals are, you brain takes a little while to adjust the settings back to normal, but it does do it. its why when on cold turkey you'll notice colors look brighter, you smell things more and your sense of touch is so damn sensitive. but tolerance very quickly goes back to normal when you don't use for a while.
Withdrawal doesn't seem like the same thing as recovering dopamine sensitivity. For one we wouldn't expect sensitivity to spike during withdrawal, we'd expect it to coast towards baseline. It also wouldn't explain symptoms like nausea. I haven't invested time in reading up on it but it seems like reports of prolonged cognitive effects, lasting well beyond the physical symptoms of withdrawal, are pretty common among heavy users. -
2018-03-10 at 11:33 PM UTClanny have you ever used opiates?
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2018-03-10 at 11:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist heroin is such a misunderstood drug due partly to war on drugs propaganda and partly for the fact that prohibition makes it a lot more dangerous than it actually is. add to that that its a mans drug, yet you got way too many little boys playing with it who can't handle it and go fucking themselves up. on top of that you've got a lot of junkies who use it along with shit loads of alcohol, crack and benzo's, which isn't a great combination, but the other substances are the ones causing the most harm, but everyone just assumes its the heroin.
youre a fucking idiot. -
2018-03-10 at 11:46 PM UTC
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2018-03-11 at 12:42 AM UTCNarc do different means of administration make any difference? Purity?
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2018-03-11 at 1:21 AM UTC
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2018-03-11 at 1:22 AM UTC
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2018-03-11 at 1:27 AM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 Narc do different means of administration make any difference? Purity?
very much so yes.
vaping/chasing the dragon/often referred to as 'smoking' - practically harmless.
intravenous - is what causes all the harm associated with heroin use, including OD, infections/abscesses and transfer of infectious disease.
the differing and unknown purities of street heroin is what is responsible for overdoses. its impossible to dose when you don't know how much heroin is in your wrap to start with.
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2018-03-11 at 1:36 AM UTC
