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Syria - "Safe Zones", Astana/May 2017

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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    I wanted to understand the reason and the areas covered by the 'De-Escalation Agreement' agreed upon at Astana by Russia, Iran, Turkey and representatives from the Syrian Government and Rebels (those who didn't leave/get thrown out) so I drew up some maps. I meant for this to just be a summary for the conflict shitpile but it ended up being more involved.

    SHORT VERSION: Despite being listed as four zones, almost all active fronts between the government and AQ rebels (specifically US and Turkey-backed groups) are marked for 'De-Escalation'. For the most part rebel supply lines in affected zones are cut, so chances of rebels restocking and resupplying militarily are low.

    The agreement here is very clever in a political sense. The US and Gulf states will find it hard to argue against the creation of 'Safe Zones' they've been clamouring for for years, but this is an agreement between the Government and Rebels with external states as guarantors - not zones where disarmament is enforced by an outside party, so they have no reason or excuse to deploy their own military hardware.

    The reason the rebels have wanted 'safe zones' in the past is not for humanitarian reasons as they so often state; they want American military forces to protect them from the SAA like in Libya - that will not happen under this agreement, so their two options are to either accept humanitarian support and allow civilians to evacuate, eventually moving toward a political resolution or to drop the mask entirely and refuse to join the ceasefire, proving to the world they never really cared about Syrians in the first place.

    As mentioned above it's unlikely that the rebels will be able to use the ceasefires to resupply, and in a military sense the locations chosen do not benefit the SAA or RUAF in any specific way - they can't be (reasonably) accused of masking military tactics as a peace process.


    Specifics:

    This is the document presented at the Astana talks listing the conditions. These zones are to remain in effect for six months, at which point they will be reviewed.



    I made some shit maps:

    1. Where the deconfliction zones are:


    2. Same map overlaid with faction control data from SouthFront (yes I know it's bad, should be readable though):


    Link to raw SouthFront area control map

    You'll notice that all fronts against ISIS are open as they're totally unaffected by the agreement, as is the front against the rebels in the countryside east of Damascus - I would suspect that this is because that area is largely rural or sparsely populated, meaning that there are fewer civilians and less need for the humanitarian services that are the basis for these zones.
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    Sophie Pedophile Tech Support
    Think ISIS can somehow use this situation to their benefit? Do they even still have the capabilities to do so?
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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    No, now the SAA will have freed up a whole lot more of their forces to mop them up.

    Recently it's been reported that ISIS has considered falling back from Raqqa to Deir ez Zor, but I've seen a lot of references to SAA operations there, 'something big' that will 'change the course of the war' etc... They're being very 'hush-hush' about the details of what's going on, I gather it's a large operation though.

    It could be hyperbole but I suspect they're either making sure ISIS can't fall back, or allowing them to so that they fall into an ambush.
  4. #4
    Sophie Pedophile Tech Support
    Originally posted by aldra No, now the SAA will have freed up a whole lot more of their forces to mop them up.

    Recently it's been reported that ISIS has considered falling back from Raqqa to Deir ez Zor, but I've seen a lot of references to SAA operations there, 'something big' that will 'change the course of the war' etc… They're being very 'hush-hush' about the details of what's going on, I gather it's a large operation though.

    It could be hyperbole but I suspect they're either making sure ISIS can't fall back, or allowing them to so that they fall into an ambush.

    Interesting. Thanks, and keep the intel coming (n_n")
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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    “As guarantors we will be tracking all actions in that direction,” he remarked. “Absolutely no flights, especially by the international coalition, are allowed. With or without prior notification. The issue is closed.”


    interesting. US isn't named in the document (no military activity including aerial bombardment) but the Russian envoy made a special point of reminding them they're included. perhaps it was directed at israel
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