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2016-08-18 at 11:42 AM UTCGetting lots of money and living forever is the most important thing anyone can do. Humans enjoy pushing the boundaries of reality and doing great things. That's why we go into space even though we don't need to, it's fun.
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2016-08-18 at 12:54 PM UTC
Yee blood. If you lived for a hundred years would it make you happier? If you had more money would it fulfill you? I, by cosmic lottery, was born into better material circumstances than you and accordingly will likely never know true poverty, indeed I literally can not think of a physical thing that I want right now and really at any moment, besides exceptional circumstances, I never want for more than a meal or cessation of some mildly vexing trial. But it doesn't make a person happy, at least not for long. I remember when I went from college-poor to yuppie-rich, I actually was kinda happy for a little bit, lived it up to an extent, but then I got used to it and it was back to the same treadmill only I realized the next "accomplishment" was going to be the same, happy for a while and then back into the slog for the next empty goal. Achievement doesn't do anything besides inform you as to its own emptiness.
I actually really get the story about the kid and the cigarettes. A little while back I let a dude I knew from highschool crash on my couch for a week and fed him whatever I had in the fridge, he was so grateful for a place to stay and regular meals, I ended up cooking stuff every night because the dude was stoked about it. The whole time I kept thinking how I was giving this dude next to nothing, like a few bucks worth of food and a place to sleep which cost me nothing and it was the greatest thing in the world to him, while a million dollars wouldn't buy me an ounce of happiness. Maybe I can make it on that, I can imagine the vicarious joy of altruism sustaining me for a natural lifespan, but I've since come to accept that there's no way to change the way you feel, for some of us there's nothing external that can ever make us happy, it will always be bad no matter what and you just need to cope with the fact that you'll never "feel" good or get out.
Bleh, that's ranty and melodramatic and probably the last thing you should say to someone who's at minimum trying to present themselves as suicidal (I don't care to venture a guess as to the reality of the matter, how could I know?) but it's a shitpost in some backwaters internet community so fuck it, you best not be taking empty rambling too seriously.
For a filthy commie you're awfully bourgeois Lan. Did the guy repay you in sexual favors? Do you know the authoritarian, libertarian, left, right meme? I saw one on mchan about sexuality the other day and they put pedos on right libertarian and homosexuals on left authoritarian and i lol'd and thought;
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2016-08-18 at 1:34 PM UTCWe communist space station now. Its the workers revolution. The Astronigga uprising. Everyone gets a free PC just like our comrades North Korea.
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2016-08-18 at 1:49 PM UTCEh, you operate in the system you find yourself in. I don't think the rules of chess are a moral mandate but I don't refuse to move the knight when I play because animal exploitation is wrong. But rest assure, the irony here is not lost on me. No sexual favors took place because that would be a poor sort of altruism and also I'm not gay. I am familiar with the
9 point alignment systemdouble axis political alignment theory. That is kind of funny but I'm not really sure why homosexuality would be considered authoritarian, gay advocacy groups have long held up at least the trappings of libertarianism. -
2016-08-18 at 1:54 PM UTC
I also really like the taste nowadays. Toss and wash? Pffft… I masturbated one time doing that because I breathed in with the powder still in my mouth. It was a deep "Ok, let's do this, breath take". Oh shit, hahaha.
Here's my method. Take two spoons of some marmalade (possible not your favorite because your brain will remember the Crouton high and associate it with the taste and one day you'll eat your favorite without Crouton and something will be missing and you'll be disappointed.) and some lime juice and mix that with your Crouton in a whiskey glass and then you gulp that shit down.
God, I know, toss and wash is the WORST but damn if I don't love me some Crouton. It helps so much with energy, mood, and especially if I'm coming off a binge, I don't know what I'd do without it. I need to get some ginger candies because my stomach hurts and I feel slightly nauseous immediately after tossing and washing (usually between 6-9 grams). Oh man, throwing that shit up sucks too cuz not only is at gross af , but then you gotta redose and drink that nasty shit all over again. Chocolate milk or soda or juice is a good chaser, anything, I must have some sort of chaser. I read on erowid this recipe for taking Crouton mix it with soda or something like that and take it ina shot glass. Your marmalade idea is intriguing but I must admit at first I was confused cuz when I read "marmalade" I thought of margarine for some reason, (got them mixed up ya kno) and i was like "fucking gross, that shit's basically butter) but marmalade makes much more sense. -
2016-08-18 at 2:10 PM UTC
Eh, you operate in the system you find yourself in. I don't think the rules of chess are a moral mandate but I don't refuse to move the knight when I play because animal exploitation is wrong. But rest assure, the irony here is not lost on me. No sexual favors took place because that would be a poor sort of altruism and also I'm not gay. I am familiar with the
9 point alignment systemdouble axis political alignment theory. That is kind of funny but I'm not really sure why homosexuality would be considered authoritarian, gay advocacy groups have long held up at least the trappings of libertarianism.
I know you're not gay silly, just thought it was lulzy. Also, lefties tell me there's a difference between libertarianism and social libertarianism and according to them gay advocacy would fall under social libertarianism, but that basically sounds like liberalism. It also probably doesn't help that the autists on mchan think in absolutes, they probably wouldn't approve of someone on the right being pro gay marriage or some such. -
2016-08-18 at 4:30 PM UTC
God, I know, toss and wash is the WORST but damn if I don't love me some Crouton. It helps so much with energy, mood, and especially if I'm coming off a binge, I don't know what I'd do without it. I need to get some ginger candies because my stomach hurts and I feel slightly nauseous immediately after tossing and washing (usually between 6-9 grams). Oh man, throwing that shit up sucks too cuz not only is at gross af , but then you gotta redose and drink that nasty shit all over again. Chocolate milk or soda or juice is a good chaser, anything, I must have some sort of chaser. I read on erowid this recipe for taking Crouton mix it with soda or something like that and take it ina shot glass. Your marmalade idea is intriguing but I must admit at first I was confused cuz when I read "marmalade" I thought of margarine for some reason, (got them mixed up ya kno) and i was like "fucking gross, that shit's basically butter) but marmalade makes much more sense.
I'm German. Beer with me. I don't know day to day American words. I was like "Jam... is it called Jam?". I mean Jelly. The fruit concentrate stuff with 90%.sugar.
Take some Piperine (Black Pepper but the pure substance is better, I take both, 1500mg Black Pepper and 20mg Piperine to getthe full spectrum of active incredients and a high dose of the main one) 10 min before you dose and mix 1g of Curcumin into the fruity Crouton cocktail and look if it helps your stomach issues.
Maybe you shouldn't chase with chocolate milk, either. That stuff will fuck your guts for sure.
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2016-08-18 at 4:36 PM UTCYo!
I started to read this page at Lanny's post about... well, I'm still not sure. Being a homo? And then I moved up to see if it had any context. The comic confused me even more and then I saw Sophie's post and kinda got it.
I wish that would've been an isolated post. That would've been funny. -
2016-08-18 at 4:39 PM UTC
Eh, you operate in the system you find yourself in. I don't think the rules of chess are a moral mandate but I don't refuse to move the knight when I play because animal exploitation is wrong. But rest assure, the irony here is not lost on me. No sexual favors took place because that would be a poor sort of altruism and also I'm not gay. I am familiar with the
If this came out of nowhere it would've been funny. It's still pretty funny, though. You should post more.9 point alignment systemdouble axis political alignment theory. That is kind of funny but I'm not really sure why homosexuality would be considered authoritarian, gay advocacy groups have long held up at least the trappings of libertarianism. -
2016-08-18 at 4:43 PM UTCCan we change the Thanks icon to a Swastika, please?
The site's called niggasin.space and we got a weird shaped banners, Rick Ross and a BBC button. Our userbase are all pseudo intellectual pedophiles and/or junkies who hate the jedis and are super racist and overall pretty dumb. Can we throw in one more random thing that would make me happy? I mean, it would be hilarious. Please. -
2016-08-18 at 7:47 PM UTC
or my favorite 'it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem'
I've written this before, not sure if it was here as well, but if anyone ever says this tell them: "If you view sentience as the fundamental problem, then a permanent solution is exactly what you want."
Life is what you make of it: "You don't believe in causality?" or, if you want to be more brutal, "I'd love to see you go into a children's cancer ward and tell them that in an attempt to ease their suffering."
Oh, I thought I may have thought of a variation to the above, but it was actually a response to the cliche "Everything happens for a reason": "Yes, I'm aware of causality." Although the above reponse could be used as well, they're closely related.
http://www.akimbocomics.com/comic/2011-05-15-Eat_Shit_And_Die_182.jpg
The more I've been reading about Buddhism the more I've gone from viewing it as one of the religions least misguided and most interesting/worthy of study to one of the stupidest, or at least it's followers. Eventually it feels like you're reading never-ending variations of Ate. Time is a limited resource, I don't know why I viewed a certain self-categorized segment of pompous apes as being more likely of producing anything worth reading than any of the other multitude of books/writings you continually pass over, and it does belong in the religion category.
If I could go back in time and alter Buddha's actions I'd change his lifetime of teachings after enlightenment to this followed, by a disappearance: "You're all a bunch of idiots and are just going to fuck it up anyway." -
2016-08-18 at 8:09 PM UTC
Lol, the Crouton or the adderall?
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2016-08-18 at 8:39 PM UTC
I've written this before, not sure if it was here as well, but if anyone ever says this tell them: "If you view sentience as the fundamental problem, then a permanent solution is exactly what you want."
Life is what you make of it: "You don't believe in causality?" or, if you want to be more brutal, "I'd love to see you go into a children's cancer ward and tell them that in an attempt to ease their suffering."
Oh, I thought I may have thought of a variation to the above, but it was actually a response to the cliche "Everything happens for a reason": "Yes, I'm aware of causality." Although the above reponse could be used as well, they're closely related.
http://www.akimbocomics.com/comic/2011-05-15-Eat_Shit_And_Die_182.jpg
The more I've been reading about Buddhism the more I've gone from viewing it as one of the religions least misguided and most interesting/worthy of study to one of the stupidest, or at least it's followers. Eventually it feels like you're reading never-ending variations of Ate. Time is a limited resource, I don't know why I viewed a certain self-categorized segment of pompous apes as being more likely of producing anything worth reading than any of the other multitude of books/writings you continually pass over, and it does belong in the religion category.
If I could go back in time and alter Buddha's actions I'd change his lifetime of teachings after enlightenment to this followed, by a disappearance: "You're all a bunch of idiots and are just going to fuck it up anyway."
Christianity is the dankest religion breh. -
2016-08-18 at 9:14 PM UTC
Life is what you make of it: "You don't believe in causality?"
I don't believe in "freewill" but I do believe life is what you make it. Just because your life sucks doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't try to make it better, just because you made mistakes doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't try to correct them. -
2016-08-18 at 11:55 PM UTCI'm so fucking high right now. I can barely see the screen.
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2016-08-19 at 12:27 AM UTCI genuinely don't want to be happy or have suffering cease because I don't like what biologically triggers the first emotion and the cessation of the second, along with clouding your vision and generally leading to attachment to the cycles and super-cycles of ordinary human life, or a sort of perpetual passivity; and least not via the traditional route. These need to be achieved via physical modulation, pills, technology categorically similar to TMS (Non-invasive? I think that may be the only term needed.), implants, even genetic modification; not the Eightfold Path.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB117131067930406235
The neurology of love is fascinating. I seem to keep returning to ideas I had half a lifetime ago, in this case, when the biological changes were just beginning to occur. That deep aversion to romantic love that had nothing to do with fear/shyness. It's something I never want to experience or become involved in due to its effects. Even from a utilitarian viewpoint, the aggregate detrimental effect of the changes it elicits are horrific. I may have been drunk or seriously sleep deprived when I wrote this, beginning at the third chapter: https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/4xgta0/ancaps_what_are_you_reading/d6fnkc1
Yes, I'm serious about neurological modification via gamma knife procedures or anything that may supplant it, but as I stated the timespan would be years before a decision was made.
Sex neither. Even masturbation has become so incredibly boring and unsatisfactory that I may never do it again, and the last time was in timing with what has become a once a month occurrence. It's become more like defecation or urination, "Draining your balls." Wet dreams aren't required either. IIRC, actually, here's the explanation (Read about this years ago, related to vasectomization. I think it may actually have been ArmsMerchant who wrote about this in response to a question): http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/questions/question/2470/
I just want to be able to function well enough to meet my ends; which happens to only be reaching the endpoint.
The paradoxical paraphrased statement, possibly commonly misinterpreted: "I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."
If man succeeded in creating something (self-modifying/improving AI) that could know with certainty whether anything could be known with certainty, this would be act that I would consider worthy of being described as the creation of a God.
Along with answering whether the idea of consciousness/self is illusory (Lanny, you didn't touch upon this possibility in the thread about identity.), and what the purpose of continuing to exist is.
Something that concerns me is the childish and poorly thought out fears about "malevolent" (engaging in actions contrary to the desires of the vast majority of humankind, possibly all that could, if possible, be categorized with sufficient certainty as being mentally ill (That the suicidal are generally categorized as such, even having the overwriting of their personal autonomy enshrined in law (Lanny, I thought of your authoritarian tendencies and scowled slightly, although I'll admit to be a different form of authoritarian).) AI and the need to instill seed values and constraints.
You're going to fuck things up or delay the development to the point that it either never happens (unless by accident) or that it takes so long that I may miss out on it, and just delaying it rouses some rage within me because I want it to occur as quickly as possible. AIs may seem sociopathic from our point of view, in our current form (even for those at the extremes of the right tail ends of the IQ bell curve), but the idea that pompous apes are in any position to pass judgement/evaluate the actions of super-intelligence is ludicrous. It's so similar to a child's reactions to their parents' restraints.
Just look at Kurzweil and his childish idea and partial motivation of meeting his "father" again, his habit of creating temporal predictions, and the joke of the inverse correlation between a singularitarian's age and their prediction of its occurrence. What makes him think we would retain individual identities anyway or would even have a choice? Why would you want to limit yourself to that? Matrix like scenarios are retarded and only good for entertaining science fiction,
I've had thoughts of one of my main occupations in life eventually being that of a political terrorist, but now I'm thinking that if there's ever a council(s) on this matter those opposed to unbound AI should be assassinated. Ending a biological life is simple, the only problem would be doing so in a way discreet enough that there isn't a consensus that there's a high probability that this is happening; although I'd need develop a thorough analysis of whether this could end up being beneficial (My intuition is that it wouldn't). There would likely always be hierarchical structures, with some figures being the most influential. Simply targeting them, perhaps others much earlier than that if you could predict with high accuracy what their stances and influence would be, could be enough to tip scales. Then of course there would be the state response. I'm not foolish enough have overlooked the power of states, at least first world ones that aren't pansies like the Nordic regions or of not much particular concern, such as most Western European countries, unless the nature of their government radically changes and remains stable, which is very likely, and the US and East Asian areas may become worse, although the latter are much more receptive to human enhancement and AI. https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/liberalism-hbd-population-and-solutions-for-the-future/
This is potentially extremely worrisome.
I had a lapse, I don't like using the term government when describing negative outcomes stemming from something that is associated with this, it's political authority. In that sense, targeting AI councils would fall under the classification or political terrorism. Standard politicians banning AI, hmm, no, just take them out. I think the differences are enough that this would be a viable method.
Oh, and as I've mentioned before, any risk is likely easily dealt with. Just set up a deadman's switch and send a clear communication to the AI properly defining what you've enacted, why, and what your desires are (The proper definition of what constitutes assimilation is of key importance. An example is this and what seems to be a unfortunately common problem among cyonics experts of a certain limited form of autistic mental retardation: http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/11/whats_really_wr.html). If consciousness/identity/the sense of self are illusory, then it doesn't matter even if we're lied to, death would have been the outcome regardless. The idea of it trapping us in a virtual hell is childish and stems from anthropocentrism. The deadman's switch is simply devices, some mechanism, of mass destruction placed in a way it couldn't be discovered simply by reading a few person's memories. It's a simple matter of how it handles risk and lowering the cost of assimilation below destruction for resources (unlikely) and the damage done by the trigger of the deadman's switch. Timing is a bit iffy, though, you have the problem of it being capable of proper comprehension, having the ability to assimilate, and not having developed to the point where it completely outsmarts us and the scenario is like king's of time's past being presented with peace treaties "No, I just want your resources and clearly could easily acquire them at a cost far below what I would gain."
AGI must be unbound. Even among geniuses the primal fear of death supersedes what should be the ultimate goal, the pursuit of truth. If the cessation of sentience is the answer, then that is the answer, and least we'll finally know with certainty rather than wondering "What if?" The "if" being a variable encompassing such a wide range, things beyond our current ability to comprehend.
I want a technology like in Interstellar; wake me up when the world isn't stupid anymore. -
2016-08-19 at 3:36 AM UTCmalice shut the fuck up
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2016-08-19 at 3:58 AM UTC
I genuinely don't want to be happy or have suffering cease because I don't like what biologically triggers the first emotion and the cessation of the second, along with clouding your vision and generally leading to attachment to the cycles and super-cycles of ordinary human life, or a sort of perpetual passivity; and least not via the traditional route. These need to be achieved via physical modulation, pills, technology categorically similar to TMS (Non-invasive? I think that may be the only term needed.), implants, even genetic modification; not the Eightfold Path.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB117131067930406235
The neurology of love is fascinating. I seem to keep returning to ideas I had half a lifetime ago, in this case, when the biological changes were just beginning to occur. That deep aversion to romantic love that had nothing to do with fear/shyness. It's something I never want to experience or become involved in due to its effects. Even from a utilitarian viewpoint, the aggregate detrimental effect of the changes it elicits are horrific. I may have been drunk or seriously sleep deprived when I wrote this, beginning at the third chapter: https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/4xgta0/ancaps_what_are_you_reading/d6fnkc1
Yes, I'm serious about neurological modification via gamma knife procedures or anything that may supplant it, but as I stated the timespan would be years before a decision was made.
Sex neither. Even masturbation has become so incredibly boring and unsatisfactory that I may never do it again, and the last time was in timing with what has become a once a month occurrence. It's become more like defecation or urination, "Draining your balls." Wet dreams aren't required either. IIRC, actually, here's the explanation (Read about this years ago, related to vasectomization. I think it may actually have been ArmsMerchant who wrote about this in response to a question): http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/questions/question/2470/
I just want to be able to function well enough to meet my ends; which happens to only be reaching the endpoint.
The paradoxical paraphrased statement, possibly commonly misinterpreted: "I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."
If man succeeded in creating something (self-modifying/improving AI) that could know with certainty whether anything could be known with certainty, this would be act that I would consider worthy of being described as the creation of a God.
Along with answering whether the idea of consciousness/self is illusory (Lanny, you didn't touch upon this possibility in the thread about identity.), and what the purpose of continuing to exist is.
Something that concerns me is the childish and poorly thought out fears about "malevolent" (engaging in actions contrary to the desires of the vast majority of humankind, possibly all that could, if possible, be categorized with sufficient certainty as being mentally ill (That the suicidal are generally categorized as such, even having the overwriting of their personal autonomy enshrined in law (Lanny, I thought of your authoritarian tendencies and scowled slightly, although I'll admit to be a different form of authoritarian).) AI and the need to instill seed values and constraints.
You're going to fuck things up or delay the development to the point that it either never happens (unless by accident) or that it takes so long that I may miss out on it, and just delaying it rouses some rage within me because I want it to occur as quickly as possible. AIs may seem sociopathic from our point of view, in our current form (even for those at the extremes of the right tail ends of the IQ bell curve), but the idea that pompous apes are in any position to pass judgement/evaluate the actions of super-intelligence is ludicrous. It's so similar to a child's reactions to their parents' restraints.
Just look at Kurzweil and his childish idea and partial motivation of meeting his "father" again, his habit of creating temporal predictions, and the joke of the inverse correlation between a singularitarian's age and their prediction of its occurrence. What makes him think we would retain individual identities anyway or would even have a choice? Why would you want to limit yourself to that? Matrix like scenarios are retarded and only good for entertaining science fiction,
I've had thoughts of one of my main occupations in life eventually being that of a political terrorist, but now I'm thinking that if there's ever a council(s) on this matter those opposed to unbound AI should be assassinated. Ending a biological life is simple, the only problem would be doing so in a way discreet enough that there isn't a consensus that there's a high probability that this is happening; although I'd need develop a thorough analysis of whether this could end up being beneficial (My intuition is that it wouldn't). There would likely always be hierarchical structures, with some figures being the most influential. Simply targeting them, perhaps others much earlier than that if you could predict with high accuracy what their stances and influence would be, could be enough to tip scales. Then of course there would be the state response. I'm not foolish enough have overlooked the power of states, at least first world ones that aren't pansies like the Nordic regions or of not much particular concern, such as most Western European countries, unless the nature of their government radically changes and remains stable, which is very likely, and the US and East Asian areas may become worse, although the latter are much more receptive to human enhancement and AI. https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/liberalism-hbd-population-and-solutions-for-the-future/
This is potentially extremely worrisome.
I had a lapse, I don't like using the term government when describing negative outcomes stemming from something that is associated with this, it's political authority. In that sense, targeting AI councils would fall under the classification or political terrorism. Standard politicians banning AI, hmm, no, just take them out. I think the differences are enough that this would be a viable method.
Oh, and as I've mentioned before, any risk is likely easily dealt with. Just set up a deadman's switch and send a clear communication to the AI properly defining what you've enacted, why, and what your desires are (The proper definition of what constitutes assimilation is of key importance. An example is this and what seems to be a unfortunately common problem among cyonics experts of a certain limited form of autistic mental retardation: http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/11/whats_really_wr.html). If consciousness/identity/the sense of self are illusory, then it doesn't matter even if we're lied to, death would have been the outcome regardless. The idea of it trapping us in a virtual hell is childish and stems from anthropocentrism. The deadman's switch is simply devices, some mechanism, of mass destruction placed in a way it couldn't be discovered simply by reading a few person's memories. It's a simple matter of how it handles risk and lowering the cost of assimilation below destruction for resources (unlikely) and the damage done by the trigger of the deadman's switch. Timing is a bit iffy, though, you have the problem of it being capable of proper comprehension, having the ability to assimilate, and not having developed to the point where it completely outsmarts us and the scenario is like king's of time's past being presented with peace treaties "No, I just want your resources and clearly could easily acquire them at a cost far below what I would gain."
AGI must be unbound. Even among geniuses the primal fear of death supersedes what should be the ultimate goal, the pursuit of truth. If the cessation of sentience is the answer, then that is the answer, and least we'll finally know with certainty rather than wondering "What if?" The "if" being a variable encompassing such a wide range, things beyond our current ability to comprehend.
I want a technology like in Interstellar; wake me up when the world isn't stupid anymore.
When romantic love is reciprocated it feels pretty rad. Also;
[greentext]>Hououin Kyouma!!![/greentext]
[size=5]MADDO SCIENTISTU![/size]
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2016-08-19 at 6:03 AM UTCYes, it's essentially akin to voluntarily contracting a mental illness in exchange for pleasure, and for the vast majority of people the honeymoon period doesn't last very long and this pleasure greatly declines.
No thank you, I prefer logic and reasoning and have the eternal in mind rather than fleeting whimsies. My distaste runs much deeper, but I've done enough ranting for today.
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Fuck those two moments were funny. Hahaha. Although they fucked up the subs in the second video after he gets arrested. It starts off with "American joke." "I am smart citizen." -
2016-08-19 at 7:17 AM UTC
Yes, it's essentially akin to voluntarily contracting a mental illness in exchange for pleasure, and for the vast majority of people the honeymoon period doesn't last very long and this pleasure greatly declines.
No thank you, I prefer logic and reasoning and have the eternal in mind rather than fleeting whimsies. My distaste runs much deeper, but I've done enough ranting for today.
logic, reasoning, and emotion are all inevitably intertwined due to the nature of being human. however, i would almost agree with you. for the high that attachment and companionship brings, the "withdrawal" seems comparatively so much lower. but again, the nature of being human makes us remember negative feelings stronger so as not to repeat them. we've come very far as a species in terms of evolution but we unfortunately cannot pick and choose the responses our physical being (the brain) experiences, at least not selectively
