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Hydromorphone to be available from Vancouver vending machines for 32 cents a 8mg pill
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2020-01-19 at 3:29 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Yeah sure, I agree it's definitely better than nothing, just that IV is inherently the riskiest ROA and there are probably better choices if their goal is harm reduction.
I assume there's some sort of daily limit to prevent that. IDK though. It mostly seems like a money saving expenditure to me. If they put it in a machine they can hire less staff. And presumably only select few trusted users will have access. I imagine you're still getting tested and shit so they'll know if you've been dosing high.
IDK, still better than buying off the street. But literally anything is so -
2020-01-19 at 3:29 AM UTCThen you can also stabilize murderers by taking some stress off them in having to repeatedly acquire new guns and knives, too.
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2020-01-19 at 3:31 AM UTC
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2020-01-19 at 3:37 AM UTCDon't get me wrong, I'm all for people doing drugs if they want. Government should never get to control what drugs people take. But this idea that they're helping the people... they don't give a rat's ass about the people. All they're doing is a pathetic bandaid "solution", which lessens the effects of addiction on others and on society, and also creates a fat customer base for BigPharma in the process. Instead of actually addressing the issues which cause the addictions, all they want to do is sweep it under the rug, make their crooked corporate buddies millions, while trying to play the heroes of the story, no less. It's literally their job to solve these problems, but they don't want to do it, so the only thing they come up with is this kind of bullshit. These despicable and shameless cretins should all be behind bars.
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2020-01-19 at 3:40 AM UTCYes... the millions they're making at 35 cents a 8mg pill.
Meanwhile Americans pay about 3 dollars for 8mg.
These programs effectively help to reduce the opioid using population. I'm not even going to bother with looking for sources because you're retarded and don't care about sources/don't post them. I don't even know why I'm talking to you. -
2020-01-19 at 3:42 AM UTC
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2020-01-19 at 3:58 AM UTC
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2020-01-19 at 3:59 AM UTCThink of this: why are people junkies in the first place? I mean, what led them to it? The answer is: these same lowlife bastards now handing out the dope to keep it all on the low down and the hush-hush. In my world, they'd all hang.
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2020-01-19 at 3:59 AM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Yes… the millions they're making at 35 cents a 8mg pill.
To be fair the manufacturers are probably selling it for significantly more and making the government subsidize the cost to the end user, that's usually how these 'programs' work.
That said it's hard to seriously engage with someone who directly equates personal drug (over)use with murderThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-01-19 at 4:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra To be fair the manufacturers are probably selling it for significantly more and making the government subsidize the cost to the end user, that's usually how these 'programs' work.
Just what I was going to say next.
Originally posted by aldra That said it's hard to seriously engage with someone who directly equates personal drug (over)use with murder
It's the principle. You don't cure the patient by killing the patient. -
2020-01-19 at 4:04 AM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL Think of this: why are people junkies in the first place?
in short: life is becoming more difficult and more meaningless for everyday people.
http://thesaker.is/capitalism-in-america-how-a-dismal-decimal-is-robbing-americans-blind/
When a culture rejects religion, embraces hedonism and does not promise its people a future, why wouldn't large numbers of them turn to drugs?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-01-19 at 4:04 AM UTCWill they make meth machines next?!
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2020-01-19 at 4:05 AM UTCI'm gonna start raping babies soon unless I get my free methamphetamine fix.
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2020-01-19 at 4:06 AM UTC
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2020-01-19 at 4:06 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra in short: life is becoming more difficult and more meaningless for everyday people.
http://thesaker.is/capitalism-in-america-how-a-dismal-decimal-is-robbing-americans-blind/
When a culture rejects religion, embraces hedonism and does not promise its people a future, why wouldn't large numbers of them turn to drugs?
Crony capitalists are everything that's wrong with this world. They're like an especially nasty and virulent form of cancer. Once it gets in and infests itself, there's practically no killing it. Only human answer is another civil war and hang them all from the lampposts. -
2020-01-19 at 4:08 AM UTC
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2020-01-19 at 4:12 AM UTCThis is just their "foot in the door". Nothing more. Once these greaseballs get in and get comfy, you can bet they'll be selling drugs from vending machines at every street corner, school and library. Count on it. This is just a test run to see how many stupid and gullible people there are out there at the moment, before they ramp things up for even larger profits, which they will.
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2020-01-19 at 4:15 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra To be fair the manufacturers are probably selling it for significantly more and making the government subsidize the cost to the end user, that's usually how these 'programs' work.
That said it's hard to seriously engage with someone who directly equates personal drug (over)use with murder
Canada controls drug prices so I very much doubt they're making a whole lot off it considering Canadians still pay about 2-3x less than what Americans pay for healthcare.
I found this that shows it's about 1 dollar for 12mg/day
https://cdn.dal.ca/content/dam/dalhousie/pdf/faculty/medicine/departments/core-units/cpd/academic-detailing/opiod%20costs.pdf
The statistic I saw earlier said it was 2.60-3 for 8mg here. So yeah, this is about 3x cheaper. -
2020-01-19 at 4:26 AM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Lol this is a gross misrepresentation of opiate users. The vast majority are not homeless street junkies shooting up in public. Most people will go under a bridge, in the woods, to a trap house, friends house, dealers house, etc. Nobody likes shooting in public.
The homeless in Vancouver do shoot up in public. They don't go further than the alleyway at most. I've seen a dozen overdoses just from taking the bus through town. There's no need for them to hide. The police ignore them. They realize if they take their stash they're not doing them any good.
Again the vast majority of junkies pay rent. They don't necessarily seek help. A minority are on the street. This program appears to be targeting those who live on the street.
For this program to be a success and displace street fent, it must also be available to those not seeking help. I.E. full legalization.
Originally posted by mmQ Will they make meth machines next?!
We don't have 1000 people dying a year in Vancouver from meth. Though meth does add to the fent statistic as people mix it.
And in case people failed to notice, the 'vending machines' will require access cards only given to junkies who have been in the medical system for years. No different then a prescription except for amount dispensed. You'll likely have some junkies stalking the junkies going to the vending machines tho. This is going to create a shitshow allowing it outside of supervised sites. Not to mention liability when someone decides they want to OD on it.
Cost of producing hydromorphone is likely 32 cents for 8mg. Rest of cost goes to regulations etc. and formulations. These pills being injectable and an out of patent opioid make them simple for production. Under a not-for-profit healthcare system, we pay production costs, not demand/supply costs. -
2020-01-19 at 4:49 AM UTCIt's kind of weird giving addicts choices of their replacement drug. Methadone, suboxone, heroin (has been able to be prescribed in BC for years) and now hydromorphone, although I did know at least 1 addict locally who was prescribed hydromorphone purely for addiction purposes with no other medical benefit. I doubt most of those addicts have their own insurance provider so it would be welfare/pharmacare.
I have to believe someone did he cost-benefit analysis of this and figured it'd be better to allow them to do pills and (I assume) result in fewer fatalities. I know a handful people locally who've died from (usually including fentanyl) overdoses over the last year so I will make social concessions of what I believe is necessary for a government to be doing but the chronic pain suffering addict in me just thinks why the fuck are they getting the powerful opiates for their addiction while others with actual pain suffer? The "methadose" program was a huge government fuckup as well that sent addicts back to the streets so I guess this is designed to pavlov dog the lower east side junkies into taking their meds like a good boy. an 8mg dilaudid won't last a hardcore addict very long.
Interesting but short sighted
