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So let me get this straight Star Trek
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2019-12-24 at 12:13 PM UTCTake a look at the way this guy shoots the robber after the robber is already running away and is no longer a threat except money being gone and money unlike life come and go:
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/east-bay/veteran-fights-back-fatally-shoots-robbery-suspect-at-bay-point-market/2203161/
Yet, the usa government of california curtesey Santa Cruz PD charged me for hitting a guy named Kevin Markley in a dive bar called Brady’s after he literally atatcked me and I had a big mark on my face and his buddies surrounded me because i broke a pint glass on him. Just ask them and why they believed the story of his and his bar friends whichw as unsupported by any video evidence they claimed they did not have or covered up when he literally picked a fight with me because I was foreign looking or Polish alone and sitting down.
what he perceived was his chair like he had his name on it or it belonged to him or something while I was sitting there more than 10 minutes. Ask yourselves why the Santa Cruz Da would not drop the case against me and instead covered up for liers? And tried to bring them to court? The fact is if the us government or santa cruz local govt through my lawyer told me I was not allowed to use a pint glass even while attacked first as the lawyer called it introducing a weapon to a fight for some reason rather than a reaction as I was being hit and going backwards.
And seen his bar pool bar buddy friends huddle not toward him but me despite me being assaulted by him shows how their laws work. Oh but apparnetly I was foreign, Polish and had a record (not felony at the time but three misdemeanors) so I was guilty right away and this guy who murdered a man running from the side was not? -
2019-12-24 at 12:37 PM UTCNo u
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2019-12-24 at 1:28 PM UTC
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2019-12-24 at 2:10 PM UTCThe issue is that we acknowledge that bar fights will happen. It's that mutual combat thing. We want bar fights to do as little harm as possible, therefore we generally ignore them. If you glass someone, or cause serious damage to someone then that is something we can't ignore.
The guy in the convenience store seems to have acted reasonably considering he probably believed the robber could have shot him at any time. Society also hate robbers, and most people are quietly happy to see them being killed.
I simply don't see any real equivalence between the two cases, as they seem to be in such very different circumstances to me.
Originally posted by Wariat I was not allowed to use a pint glass even while attacked first as the lawyer called it introducing a weapon to a fight for some reason rather than a reaction as I was being hit and going backwards.
The correct thing to do when challenged to a fight is to try to back away. If you accept a challenge then legally it can not end well for you, and you have to be aware of that. And just because you are losing does not mean you have an automatic right to glass someone.
Most fights end without any permanent damage being done besides wounded egos, as your fight with Kevin Markey would probably have done. I mean did he have a knife? Was he going for your eyes? Did he try to steal your wallet? It was just a barroom fight, and you handled it badly and you went to jail. Get over it.
Keep in mind that there were two losers in this situation - yourself (and your mom) and your victim, who now has glass in his face. I presume you had no money to pay compensation with. -
2019-12-24 at 3:54 PM UTCIf in public, the best thing is to de-escalate the fight. Apologize, walk away, run away, etc. Try to look as the biggest bitch possible while trying to get the assailant to keep fucking with you.
When he keeps coming at you just yell "STOP" multiple times as loud as you can as you shoot him dead.
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There are different rules of engagement like if you're in the ghetto or in a hidden setting among illegal immigrants or if you're in any fringe place thats invisible to society. -
2019-12-24 at 3:56 PM UTCAdvice from a couple of wimps.
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2019-12-24 at 4:04 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-12-24 at 4:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country The issue is that we acknowledge that bar fights will happen. It's that mutual combat thing. We want bar fights to do as little harm as possible, therefore we generally ignore them. If you glass someone, or cause serious damage to someone then that is something we can't ignore.
The guy in the convenience store seems to have acted reasonably considering he probably believed the robber could have shot him at any time. Society also hate robbers, and most people are quietly happy to see them being killed.
I simply don't see any real equivalence between the two cases, as they seem to be in such very different circumstances to me.
The correct thing to do when challenged to a fight is to try to back away. If you accept a challenge then legally it can not end well for you, and you have to be aware of that. And just because you are losing does not mean you have an automatic right to glass someone.
Most fights end without any permanent damage being done besides wounded egos, as your fight with Kevin Markey would probably have done. I mean did he have a knife? Was he going for your eyes? Did he try to steal your wallet? It was just a barroom fight, and you handled it badly and you went to jail. Get over it.
Keep in mind that there were two losers in this situation - yourself (and your mom) and your victim, who now has glass in his face. I presume you had no money to pay compensation with.
It was no fight because i did not throw one punch back and was going backwards. It was ana ssault and a pause or stop happened when they tried to circle toward me than I hit him to make sure he paid for asdaulting me jsut like the guy shot the robber to pay for assaulting him and taking his money after he was already out the door and running. Thus no difference. -
2019-12-24 at 4:27 PM UTCHate and what your kying sick fake society cares aboutkr wants has nothing to do with my wants or hates.
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2019-12-24 at 4:29 PM UTCIt would have been similar or more si ilar thus provingmy point further if he shot him either right as he was being hit (and he was getting his ass kicked way worse than me because iw as still up and looking right at him just going backwards) or during a slight pause while he amd dogged him or started him down hovering over him. Thats fact son you cant dispute.
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2019-12-24 at 4:31 PM UTCAlso, you saying society has no problem with fights whether bar or otherwise as long as no wepaons are used or someone gets really hurt, does not bide with your argument with luciano again proving it was discrimination and bias because tehre was no weapons used nor was anyone hurt. In most bar fights someone is knocked out or hurt more than luciano was.
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2019-12-24 at 4:49 PM UTCPlus, anyone else who is a man at this point would do the same thing. I mean I had a guy in that same town but not bar in thst case in front of a 711 attakc me with his keys on my neck as a response to my punch. So how can you say glassing him was overkill? Anyone would use in such situations any wepaon they ahd inlcuding him probably if I actuslly fought back and his buddies didnt join which they would have or if he had a knife on him. How was I supposed to know he didnt? You read articles in usa papers all the time people being shot and killed or stabbed in bars look up the hells angels vs mongols and other biker fights for example. I mean youre saying anyone who is a man like that savagesrudio prisoner guy on youtube who keeps repeating it about himself would not have if a guy just hit you and maybe more than once while there is a pause and see other people surrounding you or leaving him alone and looking st you? That opportunity you would just let sldie and walka way like a bitch? You think savage srudio or any of thsoe ex cons on youtube would jsut walka way like a dog with a tail between their legs like a bitch? What about all the ex con posters on this very forum or anyone who is tough or has been in a gang or even is jsut a man with highs elf standards or pride?
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2019-12-24 at 4:55 PM UTC
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2019-12-24 at 5:37 PM UTCHave you ever hewrd of Rosa Parks? How was what she did heroic by not standing up when I did the exact eame thing. How was that white trash kevin makrley entitled to anything there? What made that white trash special and why could I not continue sitting down Star Trek like Rosa Parks did?
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2019-12-24 at 5:38 PM UTCIf I was sitting there 10 minutes and he said nothing how was it even his chair star trek? Explain that one to me genius how this heroic guy of yours was such a victim?
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2019-12-24 at 8:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by Wariat If I was sitting there 10 minutes and he said nothing how was it even his chair star trek? Explain that one to me genius how this heroic guy of yours was such a victim?
It wasn't his chair - he probably didn't even want to sit down. He just wanted to fuck with you because you were alone and probably acting like a hard man.
Did he even actually punch you?
And what happened when you did it? How did everyone in the pub not gang up on you? -
2019-12-24 at 8:18 PM UTCWariat is angry.
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2019-12-24 at 8:33 PM UTC
Originally posted by Wariat It was no fight because i did not throw one punch back and was going backwards. It was ana ssault and a pause or stop happened when they tried to circle toward me than I hit him to make sure he paid for asdaulting me jsut like the guy shot the robber to pay for assaulting him and taking his money after he was already out the door and running. Thus no difference.
That's not what I see in the video. However even if it was, I would have no problem with it, and fail to see the equivalence between armed robbery and typical deplorable bar-room antics.
Originally posted by Wariat Also, you saying society has no problem with fights whether bar or otherwise as long as no wepaons are used or someone gets really hurt, does not bide with your argument with luciano again proving it was discrimination and bias because tehre was no weapons used nor was anyone hurt. In most bar fights someone is knocked out or hurt more than luciano was.
You walked/cycled up to a guy who only wanted to be left alone and started beating him up, choking him, leaving him for dead.
That is quite a bit different than being a bar-room bully.
I mean everyone knows what goes on in a dive bar, and if you choose to be there you accept some responsibility for what happens. If all you had done was drunkenly push Luciano around a dive bar, no one would care. -
2019-12-24 at 8:36 PM UTC🤭 Wariat is a brutish meathead.
