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there needs to be an open source means of communication that can't be tampered with
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2019-11-14 at 2 AM UTC
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2019-11-14 at 2:08 AM UTClol, who said anything about rolling their own crypto algorithm
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2019-11-14 at 10:03 AM UTC
Originally posted by Kuntzschutz That's false, http://www.measurement.sk/2005/S2/Lipkova.pdf
The body emits ELF waves associated with everything you say, these are picked up and decoded to re-create everything you say perfectly. The higher the frequency, the shorter the distance the wave can travel, and since ELF is extremely low frequency, it's pretty goddamn difficult to stop your ELF waves from leaving your house and being intercepted by a higher frequency from a satellite or BTS that is then used as an interferometry wave to decode and recreate everything you say.
This is why remote neural monitoring is the ultimate form of surveillance.
EDIT: also why the government made spark gap transmitters above 3 kilo volts illegal, they hit almost every frequency with random bits of information
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
EDIT2: http://xyzhang.ucsd.edu/papers/TWei_MobiCom15_Vibrometry.pdf
That too. Anything flimsy, including your hair and pieces of paper, will vibrating when you speak, and a wave with a high enough frequency will also pick up that vibration and through interferometry, everything you say can be re-created, with no need for any microphones present in the building that you're speaking in.
EDIT3: https://cryptome.org/audio-spy.htm
https://cryptome.org/jya/usic08.htm
I always wondered about doing that.
Everything in this post is embarrassingly retarded
Originally posted by aldra you laugh but it's actually a pretty good idea; I've seen some evidence that the radiation given off by wireless devices can potentially impact sperm count, especially since most people keep their phone in their pants pocket
***1 pair for $45 though, goddamn
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2019-11-14 at 11:25 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra lol, the UK has placed listening devices in all sorts of public spaces under the guise of 'combatting terrorism'.
I actually assume there's a project to build and deploy low-cost networked surveillance devices in a mesh network to collect audio indiscriminately, only to be organised by pseudo-AI back at base. The only reason I'm not certain is that it'd be a very difficult thing to keep quiet and nobody's 'blown the whistle', so to speak
Again, there is NO BACKDOOR TO REAL LIFE CONVERSATION. Sweet, a few places in the UK have LISTENING DEVICES. That doesn't mean the HUMAN BODY has an NSA back door.
Originally posted by Kuntzschutz That's false, http://www.measurement.sk/2005/S2/Lipkova.pdf
The body emits ELF waves associated with everything you say, these are picked up and decoded to re-create everything you say perfectly. The higher the frequency, the shorter the distance the wave can travel, and since ELF is extremely low frequency, it's pretty goddamn difficult to stop your ELF waves from leaving your house and being intercepted by a higher frequency from a satellite or BTS that is then used as an interferometry wave to decode and recreate everything you say.
This is why remote neural monitoring is the ultimate form of surveillance.
EDIT: also why the government made spark gap transmitters above 3 kilo volts illegal, they hit almost every frequency with random bits of information
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
EDIT2: http://xyzhang.ucsd.edu/papers/TWei_MobiCom15_Vibrometry.pdf
That too. Anything flimsy, including your hair and pieces of paper, will vibrating when you speak, and a wave with a high enough frequency will also pick up that vibration and through interferometry, everything you say can be re-created, with no need for any microphones present in the building that you're speaking in.
EDIT3: https://cryptome.org/audio-spy.htm
https://cryptome.org/jya/usic08.htm
I always wondered about doing that.
No it isn't and no they can't. I'm not reading your tin foil hat BS article. If they had the ability they would be using it. -
2019-11-14 at 12:47 PM UTCBut they ARE using it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) was initiated as an ionospheric research program jointly funded by the U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Navy, the University of Alaska Fairbanks, and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). It was designed and built by BAE Advanced Technologies (BAEAT). Its original purpose was to analyze the ionosphere and investigate the potential for developing ionospheric enhancement technology for radio communications and surveillance. -
2019-11-14 at 1:12 PM UTC
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2019-11-15 at 1:03 AM UTC
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2019-11-15 at 7:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra lol, the UK has placed listening devices in all sorts of public spaces under the guise of 'combatting terrorism'.
I actually assume there's a project to build and deploy low-cost networked surveillance devices in a mesh network to collect audio indiscriminately, only to be organised by pseudo-AI back at base. The only reason I'm not certain is that it'd be a very difficult thing to keep quiet and nobody's 'blown the whistle', so to speak
It's not hard to keep quiet, they started putting diodes into the structures themselves while building apartments, houses and other structures. Look through cryptome, it's been around a while. With the diodes, no listening device needs to be present, they simply collect the harmonics of the normally occurring signals (the diodes reflect harmonics of the normal signals that bounce off them) and decode those.
With a wall probe/diode combination, it's very difficult to detect that there's anything unusual at all, because they don't need a power supply. The radio waves themselves supply all the energy they need, they simple put out harmonics, and the vibration of the wall probe modulates the harmonics in a way that allows them to decode and recreate into all conversations people are having.
EDIT: As I mentioned before, the harmonics/diodes themselves aren't necessary, they just make narrowing the signal down with less interference easier. All that really needs to be done is a wall probe/cube reflector combination which again, requires no power source of its own. When you speak, the sound waves from your voice go into the walls. A cube reflector/wall probe is designed so that it is very thin and vibrates very easily from this or other sound sources, and the vibration modulates the reflection of any radio waves present, allowing everything you say to be re-created by picking up the reflected RF signal.
Compare that with the acoustic vibrometry link I posted. Very similar. No loudspeaker needed. Most of you just seem to have way too much ADHD to actually read the links I've posted and simply write it off as conspiracy stuff. You think they don't USE this stuff? Are you retarded or smoking crack? The NSA doesn't disclose it because it's classified, so they're not going to allow this to be permissible in a normal court of law, that is, law enforcement normally can't use this tech, even though it's quite simple. But the NSA sure as fuck isn't going to give a shit about that. -
2019-11-15 at 7:25 PM UTC
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2019-11-15 at 7:28 PM UTC
Russian laborers constructed an embassy where the walls were FULL of thousands of diodes - embedded in the construction material. US had to abandon the building and build one of their own. News items suggested the diodes were to make it hard to sniff for bugs. But IMHO they were the bugs themselves, using the harmonic-generation/doppler/PM trick.
Like the posting in the root article, this makes every surface a bug. You have to get diodes into them, but the return is cleaner and stronger than echoes from a passive reflector.The Thing, also known as the Great Seal bug, was one of the first covert listening devices (or "bugs") to use passive techniques to transmit an audio signal. It was concealed inside a gift given by the Soviet Union to W. Averell Harriman, the United States Ambassador to the Soviet Union, on August 4, 1945. Because it was passive, needing electromagnetic energy from an outside source to become energized and activate, it is considered a predecessor of Radio-Frequency Identification (RFID) technology.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)
https://science.slashdot.org/story/05/10/26/0424211/snooping-through-walls-with-microwaves
Since I'm the only one that has actually done real research on this subject and the rest of you are just pretending to know about it. Yawn -
2019-11-15 at 7:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by AngryIVer Again, there is NO BACKDOOR TO REAL LIFE CONVERSATION. Sweet, a few places in the UK have LISTENING DEVICES. That doesn't mean the HUMAN BODY has an NSA back door.
No it isn't and no they can't. I'm not reading your tin foil hat BS article. If they had the ability they would be using it.
It's military & university research, how is that tin foil hat bs? It's not links to conspiracy sites, it's legitimate research. Cryptome is also not "tin foil hat BS" it's people that actually have experience extracting classified information for many years. Security industry pros, but I'm sure the rest of you guys know more than military, university and security industry people lol -
2019-11-15 at 7:42 PM UTC
How many criminals protect against laser audio surveillance, where a laser beam is bounced off a window or other rigid surface, and the sound from the room vibrates the surface, wobbling the beam, the wobble being translated into audio by the snooper.
There was an episode of burn notice that touched on this, he taped a speaker to the window to scramble the conversations he was having lol
That can work but with the right algorithm they can still pick out and decipher your conversations. The vibrations you project into the window etc have to be able to fool their algorithms, elsewhere, your speaker taped to the window won't work.
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/mil/inter1/index.htmlIn practical usage, a diploma or certificate hanging on an executives wall could be turned into an excellent eavesdropping device. So could a few sheets of paper left laying on a table – anything that was light enough to move or vibrate with room air. A glass vase with a thin wall also works, and does lamps and other fixtures that are not a heavy solid mass.
A low frequency can be used, but you will start developing less than desirable results with low frequencies, and will receive better results with frequencies even higher that 10 GHz. Above 33 GHz you can actually start using the water in the air as the microphone, and you will have profound success with doing this when you get over 50-60 GHz.
At 10 GHz you only need a few mW of power to do this successfully from a few feet away, and 100 mW can allow an eavesdropper to be a fairly respectable distance from the target. Some police radar guns will also let you do this with with minor mod where you simply point the radar gun and use it like a highly directional microphone that can shoot through walls. Prison escape teams have been using these for years to listen for escapees in the woods, or hiding in corn fields without actually entering the woods.
One of the more humorous eavesdropping vulnerabilities on Embassy Row in Washington, DC are the X-Band alarm sensors that all the embassies install in their more sensitive rooms, but which they neglect to turn off during sensitive/classified discussions their diplomats are having. An eavesdropper can simply tune in the frequency of the X-Band (or K-Band) alarm sensor and listen in to classified discussions. Even when they turn these sensors off during meetings, there is still enough loose items on the walls to provide a wealth of vibrating surfaces that a microwave signal can bounce off of.
With this is mind the TSCM specialist needs to always search for any signal with could be a source of illumination, and pay extremely close attention to any signal present in the area being inspected, but which may of may not be originating within the area being inspected and may provide a reflection of an external signal above a dangerous threshold.
An example of this is building D of the Georgetown University Medical Center (GUMC) complex which is only a short distance south of a diplomatic facility [France (map)]. Merely being near and above a nearby diplomatic facility isn't the biggest problem by itself, but because this diplomatic location is saturated with RF energy between 10 and 15 GHz it becomes extraordinarily easy for an eavesdropper to listen in to diplomats talking about classified matters. -
2019-11-15 at 7:45 PM UTC
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2019-11-15 at 7:47 PM UTChttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/22/gchq-warned-laser-spying-guardian-offices
More recently, Nasa technology has been suggested as a method of extending it: in 2005, New Scientist reported that the US security services were using a space technology previously used to detect faint radio signals from space to eavesdrop on a room where the curtains had been pulled (which defeats the laser).
lol nasa technology.
The system used a "horn antenna" to blast a beam of microwave energy at between 30GHz and 100GHz through a building wall: "If people are speaking inside the room, any flimsy surface, such as clothing, will be vibrating. This modulates the radio beam reflected from the surface," it reported. That could be amplified using the Nasa technology and analysed as before.
Oh man... Considering how stupid and ignorant most people are, it's really quite easy to get away with all this stuff .There's only a jizzillion ways to do it. -
2019-11-16 at 7:21 AM UTC
Originally posted by Kuntzschutz Then why can't you refute it rather than just calling it retarded? Because you don't know shit about this subject.
Because it's basically incoherent. I read like two pages of one of the papers and it quickly became obvious the author doesn't understand the difference between EM and pressure waves. I really doubt you understand what the word "harmonic" means based on the garbage you've been posting. Your understanding of the relevant science seems so poor I don't even know where to start pointing out errors.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-11-16 at 7:29 AM UTCi scrolled through this whole thread and didnt read any of the postsThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-11-16 at 4:56 PM UTC
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2019-11-16 at 5:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Because it's basically incoherent. I read like two pages of one of the papers and it quickly became obvious the author doesn't understand the difference between EM and pressure waves. I really doubt you understand what the word "harmonic" means based on the garbage you've been posting. Your understanding of the relevant science seems so poor I don't even know where to start pointing out errors.
It's a military document in English by people whose first language is not English. Are you that stupid that you can't understand it's a czech research paper? Stick to being a script kiddie, you clearly don't know shit about any of this stuff. -
2019-11-16 at 5:46 PM UTCInvite to discord
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