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Did existence begin or is it eternal?
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2019-10-16 at 6:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by Big League jedi Uhhh no that's a complete nonsequitur.
A universe with just one electron zipping on forever is a perfectly conceivable idea. And it just has one possibility. The equations for the electron don't require any first point, you can extend it into t=-infinity or +infinity with no problem.
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2019-10-16 at 7:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks But we have to define boundaries on which particular ontological entities can possess the attribute of "being".
The question is driving more at what a good definition could be than an actual definitive answer. Don't just ask me to do all the work for you.
My personal definition would be something informational, for example "a difference that makes a difference". Something exists if it has some causal connection to something else. And what has a causal connection to something else, exists.The scientific community draws a distinction between matter, energy, and time, and only matter "exists". But what of energy? And what of time? And what of physically unverifiable phenomena in general? Etc."
What do you mean "only matter 'exists'"? We have perfectly good definitions of time and energy.
Energy is the potential to do work. That's it. You take a ball, give it kinetic energy to raise it and put it on a shelf. At that point, it has gravitational potential energy. You drop it, it will lose that GPE as it is turned into kinetic energy.
Time is defined by a set number of oscillations of a caesium atom.
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2019-10-16 at 7:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by Big League jedi The question is driving more at what a good definition could be than an actual definitive answer. Don't just ask me to do all the work for you.
My personal definition would be something informational, for example "a difference that makes a difference". Something exists if it has some causal connection to something else. And what has a causal connection to something else, exists.
What do you mean "only matter 'exists'"? We have perfectly good definitions of time and energy.
Energy is the potential to do work. That's it. You take a ball, give it kinetic energy to raise it and put it on a shelf. At that point, it has gravitational potential energy. You drop it, it will lose that GPE as it is turned into kinetic energy.
Time is defined by a set number of oscillations of a caesium atom.
What unverifiable phenomena?
Energy == potential. Exactly. Potential isn't necessarily physically real.
Time is measured in terms of radiation oscillations or whatever, but is time tangibly real in the same sense as matter is?
Would you say that time is in a state of "being"? Is the past currently "being"? What about the future?
And about that whole "ability to create a difference" definition... At least you have a definition of some kind, props for that, but by trying to draw these definitional boundaries, it only raises further questions.
I mean, does time even "create a difference"? How do you define that difference?
Atoms decay.
Cells die.
Etc.
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2019-10-16 at 8:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Energy == potential. Exactly. Potential isn't necessarily physically real.
Energy isn't a "thing", it's a MEASURE. Of the potential to do work (literally W=F*D). When you have a battery, the mAh count on it is literally a measure of how much work the battery can make electrons in a circuit do while depleting from a charged state to a ground state across the circuit. It's just a measure. At its basest state it's a measure of entropy configurations but I am not going to go into this with you because you are both wrong and too stupid to know the limits of your knowledge.Time is measured in terms of radiation oscillations or whatever, but is time tangibly real in the same sense as matter is?
Time IS a measure. It's another measure of entropy. It is like the difference between when you put a spoonful of creamer on your coffee (time 0) to when the creamer has fully spread out in the coffee. The big bang was a moment of extremely low entropy, the heat death of the universe will be a moment of extremely high entropy. On a QM level, time is just another value that describes a particular state of a wavefunction, and there is no difference between backwards in time and forwards in time, they are just values for different states of the wavefunction. The fact that we experience a flow of time ("forwards") is only due to the fact that for some reason there was a moment of low entropy, the big bang, and some capacity for it to expand into a high entropy system.Would you say that time is in a state of "being"? Is the past currently "being"? What about the future?
I didn't read this before I wrote the above. Time is a measure. It's a name we attach to an experience we have, of events being ordered and sequential. We measure a second for example by a particular number of cycles of an event. The past exists in the sense that it has causal influence on us, as the present state of the universe is caused by the previous state of the universe.And about that whole "ability to create a difference" definition… At least you have a definition of some kind, props for that, but by trying to draw these definitional boundaries, it only raises further questions.
Yeah no shit. I'm doing all the legwork here while you're just asking retarded uninformed questions. I'm guessing your energy is zero because you have zero potential to do any work. These are all questions that have well defined answers and I'm just having to spoon feed them to you. Go read a book first.I mean, does time even "create a difference"? How do you define that difference?
See above.Atoms decay.
Cells die.
Etc.
But your definition only raises more questions about what exactly counts as "difference".
You not knowing something doesn't mean "we" don't know that thing, it usually just means you're just massively ignorant. -
2019-10-16 at 8:30 PM UTCEvery point in time, and every potential, exists simultaneously.
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2019-10-16 at 8:40 PM UTC
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2019-10-16 at 8:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by Big League jedi I'm doing all the legwork here while you're just asking retarded uninformed questions.
Lmao, this is captain falcon isn't it?
You know damn well just as much as I do that threads like this are just intellectual masturbation.
You really think someone else is gonna come along and provide an answer that changes your current position on things?
And trying to bring up amperes and other physical measures to try and quantify your qualitative claim is completely transparent.
Just fucking drop it while you still have a chance.
You're not spoon feeding shit.
Your initial question was as basic as it gets to begin with.
You can't ask some basic bitch shit and then be surprised when people expect you to elaborate.
I know that on some level you already know this.
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2019-10-16 at 8:59 PM UTCEvery possible action is already happening, simultaneously, it's just that our senses are too rudimentary to sense them going on.
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2019-10-16 at 9:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Lmao, this is captain falcon isn't it?
No shit?You know damn well just as much as I do that threads like this are just intellectual masturbation.
You really think someone else is gonna come along and provide an answer that changes your current position on things?
No, they aren't. I do think people have interesting perspectives sometimes. What's interesting is having you actually try to think about the question and tell us what it means to you rather than trying to undermine it like a retard because you have zero ability to make a genuine contribution towards considering the question.And trying to bring up amperes and other physical measures to try and quantify your qualitative claim is completely transparent.
You're a massive moron. Energy is well defined and well understood as a concept. Just because you don't know shit and won't accept actual information doesn't mean you have an argument, it just means you are a fucking idiot.Just fucking drop it while you still have a chance.
I'll drop my load down your mom's throat faggot.You're not spoon feeding shit.
Yeah, I am. I gave you a literally scientifically true answer and your ignorant ass couldn't accept it. You argued, I laid a smackdown on you, now you're salty as fuck and saying "DURR HOW DARE YOU DEFINE YOUR TERMS?" Kill yourself retard.Your initial question was as basic as it gets to begin with.
You can't ask some basic bitch shit and then be surprised when people expect you to elaborate.
Nothing basic about it, as evidenced by the fact that you can't seem to wrangle with literally any discussion about it.
Well guess what cunt stain? I did elaborate. I elaborated in detail.
But you can't cope with any of this information, what sort of retarded shit ass criticism is "you brought in amperes and shit???" Like what do you want fuckwit, I gave you the most specific answer possible.
So you zeroed in one singular line where I told you to educate your dumb ass and COMPLETELY dodged the rest, now you're bitching about how I did it anyway but told you you're a fucking retard for needing it?I know that on some level you already know this.
Threads like these are a waste of your (and my) time around here.
No cunt, you're a waste of time. You only see such an effect in threads you visit because you suck the intellect out of them with your presence.
You are a black hole of stupidity from which no intelligent thought can escape.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-10-16 at 9:13 PM UTC
Originally posted by Big League jedi No shit?
No, they aren't. I do think people have interesting perspectives sometimes. What's interesting is having you actually try to think about the question and tell us what it means to you rather than trying to undermine it like a retard because you have zero ability to make a genuine contribution towards considering the question.
You're a massive moron. Energy is well defined and well understood as a concept. Just because you don't know shit and won't accept actual information doesn't mean you have an argument, it just means you are a fucking idiot.
I'll drop my load down your mom's throat faggot.
Yeah, I am. I gave you a literally scientifically true answer and your ignorant ass couldn't accept it. You argued, I laid a smackdown on you, now you're salty as fuck and saying "DURR HOW DARE YOU DEFINE YOUR TERMS?" Kill yourself retard.
Nothing basic about it, as evidenced by the fact that you can't seem to wrangle with literally any discussion about it.
Well guess what cunt stain? I did elaborate. I elaborated in detail.
But you can't cope with any of this information, what sort of retarded shit ass criticism is "you brought in amperes and shit???" Like what do you want fuckwit, I gave you the most specific answer possible.
So you zeroed in one singular line where I told you to educate your dumb ass and COMPLETELY dodged the rest, now you're bitching about how I did it anyway but told you you're a fucking retard for needing it?
No cunt, you're a waste of time. You only see such an effect in threads you visit because you suck the intellect out of them with your presence.
You are a black hole of stupidity from which no intelligent thought can escape.
You don't know anything, and the way you behave on here, making threads like this to treat people as you have treated gadzooks here, really shows who you are and I don't like that person.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-10-16 at 9:14 PM UTCDude I'm just tryna get my drink on on a Wednesday morning and you're getting into all this bullshit...
You call energy a physical thing, yet you can't explain precisely how it's real.
Energy is a concept we've come to adapt into our lives, but the fact that something has the potential to do work does not inherently mean that it is "real".
Come to think of it, what the fuck are we even debating to begin with?
What "existence" is?
You know damn well a bunch of niggers in space (us included) aren't going to produce an answer to that...
It's the most vague question ever posited.
Nigger.
I would retaliate by telling you to kill yourself, but I have a touch more class than you do.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-10-16 at 9:24 PM UTCThere's trillions and trillions of other yous, all living side by side, each one doing something slightly different. And they are all really you.
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2019-10-16 at 9:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe You don't know anything, and the way you behave on here, making threads like this to treat people as you have treated gadzooks here, really shows who you are and I don't like that person.
I know more than you and shut your face faggot. Gadzooks is a retard, can't discuss shit and engages in low IQ sophistry: it is fitting that you get along with him. Just circlejerk each other's dicks off with that thanks button if it makes you feel better. -
2019-10-16 at 9:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by Big League jedi I know more than you and shut your face faggot. Gadzooks is a retard and it is fitting that you get along with him. Just circlejerk each other's dicks off with that thanks button if it makes you feel better.
Faggot.
You have so much potential and yet you resort to calling everybody names.
This whole fucking dialogue is beneath us both, but you insist on furthering it every chance you get...
But, when in Rome...
Fucking nigger retard faggot. -
2019-10-16 at 9:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Dude I'm just tryna get my drink on on a Wednesday morning and you're getting into all this bullshit…
You call energy a physical thing, yet you can't explain precisely how it's real.
Energy is a concept we've come to adapt into our lives, but the fact that something has the potential to do work does not inherently mean that it is "real".
Come to think of it, what the fuck are we even debating to begin with?
What "existence" is?
You know damn well a bunch of niggers in space (us included) aren't going to produce an answer to that…
It's the most vague question ever posited.
Nigger.
I would retaliate by telling you to kill yourself, but I have a touch more class than you do.
I described it extremely precisely. Work = force multiplied by distance. Your chemical potential energy is how many times the heat can turn a turbine of given specifications if I burn you alive. Your gravitational potential energy is how hard you'll hit the ground when I defenestrate you. Its not magic. It's just a measure.
It's a very vague question, the point is to try to gain purchase over it. Fucking halfwit. -
2019-10-16 at 9:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Faggot.
You have so much potential and yet you resort to calling everybody names.
This whole fucking dialogue is beneath us both, but you insist on furthering it every chance you get…
But, when in Rome…
Fucking nigger retard faggot.
You're the one who spun off one section into this rather than engaging with the vast majority of my post. You know why? Because you are a drama bitch. If you really want to discuss it, I gave you the answers, make a precise point. Cunt. -
2019-10-16 at 9:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by Big League jedi I described it extremely precisely. Work = force multiplied by distance. Your chemical potential energy is how many times the heat can turn a turbine of given specifications if I burn you alive. Your gravitational potential energy is how hard you'll hit the ground when I defenestrate you. Its not magic. It's just a measure.
Nobody gives a fuck about "gravitational potential energy".
You're trying to talk about "existence", but also talking about fucking particle motion and shit. Heat is, like we've both said already, a measure of physical activity, but has absolutely nothing to do with "existence".
You're trying to conflate two entirely different concepts.
Don't do that.
It's bad form, and it gets us nowhere. -
2019-10-16 at 9:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Nobody gives a fuck about "gravitational potential energy".
You're trying to talk about "existence", but also talking about fucking particle motion and shit. Heat is, like we've both said already, a measure of physical activity, but has absolutely nothing to do with "existence".
You're trying to conflate two entirely different concepts.
Don't do that.
It's bad form, and it gets us nowhere.
You asked me to tell you what energy is. I told you what energy is in the most specific terms and all the ways in which it does exist, which all ties back into my original definition of existence. Energy is a measure all the ways in which something can make a difference. Now you are bitching I gave you a specific definition with specific examples that tie back to and illustrate my definition. I'm not trying to conflate shit retard, you don't even know what that word means. This could not be any simpler. -
2019-10-16 at 9:51 PM UTCI'm gonna say something that will blow your mind
but it's gotta be a voice recording because it would take too long to formulate my thoughts into text
hold on -
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