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2017-01-09 at 3:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I really want to know the origin of the universe, or more specifically, an explanation as to how anything ever came to be. I'm sure you're right that we may never know, but it bothers me. I can understand the concept of infinity as it relates to the future, because everything is here now, and even if it all burns up or evaporates the particles and matter will just float around forever.
I want someone to give me a good analogy explaining how the past is infinite. Isn't that really fucking weird to think about?
Well only in our Universe do we have time as far as we know.So the Universe had a beginning in that sense, at the big bang everything came into existence including time. I would say that therefore the past isn't infinite. -
2017-01-09 at 3:08 PM UTCWe really shouldn't exist. It is kind of crazy we're here, when you think about it like a 14 year old smoking weed for the first time. What WAS before the universe. How can something just randomly pop into existence. What is the universe expanding in to. Are we real or the product of our imaginations?
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2017-01-09 at 3:09 PM UTCI know I'm being redundant and forgive me if I sound naïve, I just want to know where the first particle came from.
Also, if I could walk in a straight line directly above me toward outer space and I kept going, do you think I'd come to an end, or would I eventually wind up back where I started? Maybe even at the polar opposite of where I started. -
2017-01-09 at 3:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Well only in our Universe do we have time as far as we know.So the Universe had a beginning in that sense, at the big bang everything came into existence including time. I would say that therefore the past isn't infinite.
if a big bang happens once (and probably in all of the multiverse? or there could be other methods, that's too theoretical), there's no reason to assume it can't happen again. physicists have described methods that the universe could literally come to a halt and be destroyed. something begins and ends, and time may only exist in that frame, but there is still continuous isolated frames occurring linearly by each episode. so it may not be "time" but there is still sequencing?
for example
A -> B -> C
A = C
does this require the dimension of time to be a statement? nope. though a better example would be a logic tree or something requiring conditionals. these are all sequential processes that function without time.
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2017-01-09 at 3:11 PM UTCHave you ever seen the back of a dollar bill...on weeeed?
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2017-01-09 at 3:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I know I'm being redundant and forgive me if I sound naïve, I just want to know where the first particle came from.
chance
if there is nothing, there are no rules. if there are no rules, anything can happen. nothing doesnt exist without it's duality of "something" -
2017-01-09 at 3:31 PM UTC
Originally posted by the holy ghost chance
if there is nothing, there are no rules. if there are no rules, anything can happen. nothing doesnt exist without it's duality of "something"
I like that answer.
The presence of absence.
Come to think of it the Christian's standard response to these questions are that God's ways are not of our understanding. I mean if he's real of course we wouldn't understand what it's like, it's just too easy of answer- because God can do that. We can't understand. I guess either way it still might be indirectly accurate in that we lack the mental power to truly understand the concepts of infinite space-time. Or we're inside some kid's snow globe that's been sitting on his shelf collecting dust. -
2017-01-09 at 3:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ Short questionnaire for anyone with a few spare momentos:
1- Do you like turtles?
2- When is the last time (if ever) that you shoplifted and what did you take?
3- How many siblings do you have?
4- Who shot JFK?
5- Why do cats prefer drinking from the faucet?
6- If you could live in any other century prior to the 1900s what would you choose?
7- What was before the beginning of the universe?
8- When you were a little kid did your grandma give you special baths and help you get so nice and clean?
Ok I'm recovered enough.
1. Sure. Prefer tortoises tho and one day I still harbour ambitions of having a tortoise as a pet and calling it Totse. It'll be a friend for life.
2. Quite a while ago, probably June or so. Stole a couple of 3 litre bottles of cider
3. 2 but I speak to neither, they don't like me
4. JFK. It was an elaborate suicide.
5. Because they're annoying little weirdos. I don't think it has to do with fresh running water because my cat loves drinking from stagnant water in plant pots rather than her bowl. She also likes drinking from drain pipes when it rains so maybe it is to do with fresh water. Who knows, cats are enigmas
6. 1st century. I'd kill Jesus as a baby and assume his position, I think being worshipped would suit me.
7. See past few posts.
8. Not that I remember -
2017-01-09 at 3:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I know I'm being redundant and forgive me if I sound naïve, I just want to know where the first particle came from.
Also, if I could walk in a straight line directly above me toward outer space and I kept going, do you think I'd come to an end, or would I eventually wind up back where I started? Maybe even at the polar opposite of where I started.
the concept of this is impossible for man to rationalize without accepting the fact of a supreme being creating all matter in our frame of existence -
2017-01-09 at 3:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by cerakote the concept of this is impossible for man to rationalize without accepting the fact of a supreme being creating all matter in our frame of existence
what if the name of this supreme being is "probability"? -
2017-01-09 at 3:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by the holy ghost what if the name of this supreme being is "probability"?
probability isnt a force or a deity, its a term given to represent an abstract concept -
2017-01-09 at 3:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by cerakote probability isnt a force or a deity, its a term given to represent an abstract concept
are forces and deities not abstract concepts? what makes a mathematical or scientific law, or systems of these laws, different than an entity? you can call science a religion and logic a god if you want to. -
2017-01-09 at 3:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by the holy ghost are forces and deities not abstract concepts? what makes a mathematical or scientific law, or systems of these laws, different than an entity? you can call science a religion and logic a god if you want to.
yeah they are but what does it matter
the fact that you are sitting here with your finger up your ass shows how little sense our existence makes but unless you believe in a higher power its staying that way -
2017-01-09 at 3:51 PM UTC
Originally posted by cerakote yeah they are but what does it matter
the fact that you are sitting here with your finger up your ass shows how little sense our existence makes but unless you believe in a higher power its staying that way
you can create your own meanings if it makes you more satisfied with life. doesn't make it correct, but nobody has to be correct all the time. religions are prepackaged lifestyles designed to cope with the meaninglessness of existence, but when people take them as fact we have islam and wars. it has its own consequences. -
2017-01-09 at 3:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by reject Ok I'm recovered enough.
1. Sure. Prefer tortoises tho and one day I still harbour ambitions of having a tortoise as a pet and calling it Totse. It'll be a friend for life.
2. Quite a while ago, probably June or so. Stole a couple of 3 litre bottles of cider
3. 2 but I speak to neither, they don't like me
4. JFK. It was an elaborate suicide.
5. Because they're annoying little weirdos. I don't think it has to do with fresh running water because my cat loves drinking from stagnant water in plant pots rather than her bowl. She also likes drinking from drain pipes when it rains so maybe it is to do with fresh water. Who knows, cats are enigmas
6. 1st century. I'd kill Jesus as a baby and assume his position, I think being worshipped would suit me.
7. See past few posts.
8. Not that I remember
Aye m8, roight proppa of ya to answer me questions.
I found a baby turtle right when I moved to Florida and was going to name him Leo and keep him. When we went to the pet store to find a tank for him I saw Chootie in the kitty adoption room and decided on her instead of Leo. That's the closest I ever came to owning any reptile.
How exactly do you gank several 3-liter bottles of something?
Your siblings don't like you. Do you like them?
I know of a cat that enjoys drinking from a pail of rainwater I'm really thinking freshness and/or natural taste is the thing.
How would you kill baby Jesus?
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2017-01-09 at 4:03 PM UTCPick them up, walk down the next aisle, stick them in my bag and walk out. I didn't even try to be sneaky about it cos that store was ridiculously easy for stealing from. At the same chain store in another town me and a couple of mates used to go in and come out with 10-15 bottles of spirits. Keep a couple for ourselves and sell the rest to pubs. It was a good little earner. Never got caught
Not really, my brothers all right but he doesn't live near here so what does it matter.
Good question, I'd probably just chuck him down a well or some shit cos I don't think I could bring myself to outright kill a baby -
2017-01-09 at 4:13 PM UTCAh, gotcha. I've done the same at WalMarts- walking around with a cart and putting items in reusable cloth shopping bags as I go along. At first I thought it would look obvious due to the fact that I was walking around with a bunch of bags full of stuff but nobody pays attention. Then when you're ready to go it looks like you've already payed and bagged. Surprisingly easy.
Prom night dumpster baby Jesus
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2017-01-09 at 4:20 PM UTCYea that's kind of how we did it. Except really blatant, subtlety was not our strong point. These stores never have security/LP and pretty sure they have a no chase policy so it was open season.
Eventually they got sick of us stealing tho and started tagging all the spirits and the good times were at an end -
2017-01-09 at 4:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I know I'm being redundant and forgive me if I sound naïve, I just want to know where the first particle came from.
Also, if I could walk in a straight line directly above me toward outer space and I kept going, do you think I'd come to an end, or would I eventually wind up back where I started? Maybe even at the polar opposite of where I started.
Einstein's famous equation E=mc2 tells us that energy and matter are interchangeable. So, at the moment of the big bang there was an incomprehensible amount of energy, which later which later cooled off and in a sense condensed into matter. Matter would include particles. The Universe did not just start off with one particle it started off with all the particles AKA matter and energy we can see in the Universe today.
Originally posted by the holy ghost if a big bang happens once (and probably in all of the multiverse?
We can never know whether there is a multiverse or not since by virtue of being inside of our Universe we can never measure/look/whatever beyond it.
Originally posted by the holy ghost there's no reason to assume it can't happen again.
Sure i agree with that.
Originally posted by the holy ghost physicists have described methods that the universe could literally come to a halt and be destroyed.
What do you mean by coming to a halt in a cosmic sense?
Originally posted by the holy ghost something begins and ends, and time may only exist in that frame, but there is still continuous isolated frames occurring linearly by each episode. so it may not be "time" but there is still sequencing?
Sure this is logically consistent.
Originally posted by the holy ghost for example
A -> B -> C
A = C
It doesn't necessarily follow that Universe A would be exactly the same as Universe C. Even if there are multiple big bangs creating multiple universes there are an infinite amount of things that could have an impact on what exactly the properties of those universes are.
Originally posted by the holy ghost does this require the dimension of time to be a statement?
What do you mean by "the dimension of time to be a statement". In the context that you are using, what exactly are you describing with the word "statement".
Originally posted by the holy ghost though a better example would be a logic tree or something requiring conditionals. these are all sequential processes that function without time.
Not really, because by it's very nature time is a measure of change. You can't have a sequential process without change, everything would just be static. -
2017-01-09 at 4:32 PM UTCI didn't mean universe A is the same as universe C i just meant they're both universe frames.
i was saying if A is followed by B is followed by C. time may be within each of those universes, but time isn't required for one universe to follow another.
but everything is static (nothingness), and then it isn't, and then it is. so i guess instead of calling it change you could call it random blips that create time. if there is no time in between the random blips, then as soon as one universe is destroyed, a new universe is created, making it a loop with different outcomes depending on the probabilities of every variable over the course of all time. virtually infinite possibilities. so i guess A and C are the same in the sense that contain the same set of infinite variables?
