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  1. Originally posted by Common De-mominator Heat. That is why black holes have a temperature, it's because of hawking radiation.

    then can you explain why do they vanish eventually ?
  2. Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson If Steven Hawking told you to jump off a roof would you?

    if i ask him how best to suicide ?
  3. Common De-mominator African Astronaut
    Originally posted by vindicktive vinny then can you explain why do they vanish eventually ?

    It dissipates into heat. No one knows exactly what happens past that point, it's one of the biggest standing problems of physics.
  4. Originally posted by Common De-mominator It dissipates into heat. No one knows exactly what happens past that point, it's one of the biggest standing problems of physics.

    no, from what i understand is that virtual particles form at the surface of these niggerholes.

    the virtual, positively charged particle that managed to escape became the heat, its negatively charged partner that got sucked into the niggerhole is what caused the niggerhole to lose mass.
  5. Common De-mominator African Astronaut
    Originally posted by vindicktive vinny no, from what i understand is that virtual particles form at the surface of these niggerholes.

    the virtual, positively charged particle that managed to escape became the heat, its negatively charged partner that got sucked into the niggerhole is what caused the niggerhole to lose mass.

    Okay this is getting into deeper shit so idk how intuitive this explanation can be but... What is really fundamental in physics is QFT. Specifically the Fields of QFT.

    What we know as real particles are definite interaction states between these fields. What we know as "virtual particles" are essentially approximations of the fuzzy shit that happens in the fields between real particles. The fields are always there.

    When two particles come together for example, their interaction is really those two less wobbly wave functions coming really close together and wobbling the fields between them in the borders of their probability distributions.

    Think of it like the surface of a pond. You start dipping two fingers in and out, it'll make waves. Bring them closer together, those waves will start interacting. The virtual particle essentially describes that real but somewhat indefinite intermediate wobble interaction of the field.


    The pond also has its own waves and perturbations (like zero point energy), these little wobbles of the pond itself also affect the interaction between the two finger waves. If it is really windy and the pond is wavy, it will affect the final shape of the interacting waves more. And even when the finger waves aren't there, the pond's waves and shit are there. Virtual particles are a way to describe these chaotic states in the field that are real in their own right but they're not definite.

    Usually the field just wobbles both ways, then wobbles right back and both "particles" that can be described in that state annihilate back. Imagine pinching up a taut rubber sheet from above, then right beside it from below. You've stored energy into "particles". Let go of them, the sheet boings back and the "energy" is released into the sheet (field). Virtual particles are like descriptions of what's happening in the rubber sheet between the two punches, or in the "empty" space around them. It's just vibrational modes of the field.

    The way Hawking radiation works is, there's an effect in GR called frame dragging. When a black hole happens, it motherfucks the fabric of spacetime at the event horizon and starts twisting it. When this happens, right at the horizon you often get points where the "neutral" annihilation is unbalanced relative to an external observer, these perturbations would normally get wobbled back out but continue on.

    But remember, the rubber sheet is all continuous, the pinch just father's up some of it. To keep "being", it is not only the pinch upwards, but also the tension downwards to collapse back into the flat sheet. The black hole radiates away its mass-energy gravitationally like this. When the virtual photon flies away on one side of the horizon, think of it as an actual piece of the field leaving, and the one that goes inside is only a half recovery of the lost energy, the displacement of the sheet itself moving away. If you keep twisting the pinch, you will lose more and more of it till you just have no grip and it just pops back into a field. All the rubber has been boinged away.
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  6. Common De-mominator African Astronaut
    The thing to remember is that gravity is just another field, it isn't "free", the fact that it has an effect is a matter of geometry distortion essentially, the effect of a black hole is gravitational and it loses its energy gravitationally to create those virtual particles, but it only gets half of it back.
  7. Common De-mominator African Astronaut
    Also in the fingers analogy, it is tempting to think of "real" particles as the fingers or some different thing "in" the field, but a more accurate picture would be like two ice balls bobbing up and down. It's still water, but it's in a state where it will take a very long time or some infusion of energy for it to melt back into the "ground state" of water. It's the water/field itself clumped into/by a particular arrangement/interaction.
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