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2019-07-09 at 4:33 PM UTC
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2019-07-09 at 4:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny but the energies that shove the electrons from one terminal to the other do and has always been therr.
Theres no extra "energies that shove the electrons from one terminal to the other", that's the core point: the energy IS the gradient. There's a higher concentration of electrons on one terminal compared to the other. That difference, and the potential for it to equalise literally IS the chemical potential energy of the battery. The fact that it flows is a matter of statistical mechanics.
Again, denying this is man made energy is like denying everything is man made: just because we didn't make it ex nihilo doesn't mean we didn't make it. -
2019-07-09 at 4:37 PM UTC
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2019-07-09 at 4:38 PM UTC
Originally posted by Common De-mominator Theres no extra "energies that shove the electrons from one terminal to the other", that's the core point: the energy IS the gradient. There's a higher concentration of electrons on one terminal compared to the other. That difference, and the potential for it to equalise literally IS the chemical potential energy of the battery. The fact that it flows is a matter of statistical mechanics.
Again, denying this is man made energy is like denying everything is man made: just because we didn't make it ex nihilo doesn't mean we didn't make it.
do you consider chemical energies energy ?
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2019-07-09 at 4:39 PM UTC
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2019-07-09 at 4:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by Common De-mominator Theres no extra "energies that shove the electrons from one terminal to the other", that's the core point: the energy IS the gradient. There's a higher concentration of electrons on one terminal compared to the other. That difference, and the potential for it to equalise literally IS the chemical potential energy of the battery. The fact that it flows is a matter of statistical mechanics.
Again, denying this is man made energy is like denying everything is man made: just because we didn't make it ex nihilo doesn't mean we didn't make it.
Denying the first law of thermodynamics...lololol
The movement of energy, the utilization of energy, the storing of energy etc etc isn't creating or making (or destroying) energy... -
2019-07-09 at 4:40 PM UTC
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2019-07-09 at 4:42 PM UTC
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2019-07-09 at 4:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Denying the first law of thermodynamics…lololol
The movement of energy, the utilization of energy, the storing of energy etc etc isn't creating or making (or destroying) energy…
I'm not denying the first law of thermodynamics. I'm telling you what the fuck the perfectly reasonable and useful term "man made energy" means. Similarly "energy generation plants" don't "generate" energy from nothingness, we call them that because they generate useful energy from heat (not itself useful energy) gradients (useful energy).
Nobody is claiming energy can be made ex nihilo. -
2019-07-09 at 4:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by Common De-mominator I'm not denying the first law of thermodynamics. I'm telling you what the fuck the perfectly reasonable and useful term "man made energy" means.
Yes I'm obviously familiar with the flawed use of such a term. Arguing in favor of it being actuality though is a bit silly rather than simply conceding it's a flawed term. -
2019-07-09 at 4:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Yes I'm obviously familiar with the flawed use of such a term. Arguing in favor of it being actuality though is a bit silly rather than simply conceding it's a flawed term.
There's nothing flawed about it. Making something doesn't mean making something from nothing. By that logic nothing is man made, including helicopters and skyscrapers. Which is fuckin silly. -
2019-07-09 at 5 PM UTCTechnology is the work of the Devil.
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2019-07-09 at 5:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by Common De-mominator There's nothing flawed about it. Making something doesn't mean making something from nothing. By that logic nothing is man made, including helicopters and skyscrapers. Which is fuckin silly.
converting energy/accessing energy/controlling energy etc doesn't equate to "making energy"
And no a helicopter is definitely man made, it doesn't occur naturally...as energy does. -
2019-07-09 at 7:13 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson converting energy/accessing energy/controlling energy etc doesn't equate to "making energy"
And no a helicopter is definitely man made, it doesn't occur naturally…as energy does.
Again, energy isn't a special juice that hangs out near stuff. It's just the potential to do work. It's a physical description of what the particles are doing. A gradient of lithium ion charges didn't exist before, now it does. I.e. we produced useful energy in the form of a battery. You have to put all the energy in to do it, you don't get to do it for free, but converting the energy to a useful form from a not useful one (like heat) is literally producing that useful energy from not useful energy. You don't just suck out energy juice and put it into another thing, that's not how it works. That's why your cell phone battery is probably rated for about ~3000 mAh, not whatever huge number the total mass energy of the battery is. -
2019-07-09 at 7:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Common De-mominator Again, energy isn't a special juice that hangs out near stuff.
Again I didn't say it was...why do you keep coming up with a fantasized narrative?
Energy exists naturally, helicopters don't...factoids of factness. The sun is a big ball of radiating energy...it's there regardless of what we call it and it was energizing Earth and life on Earth long before we even crawled up out of the ocean.
I do believe you are simply arguing at this point because you've been corrected and are not man enough to accept it. -
2019-07-09 at 10:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Again I didn't say it was…why do you keep coming up with a fantasized narrative?
Because that's exactly what you're staring posits.Energy exists naturally, helicopters don't…factoids of factness. The sun is a big ball of radiating energy…it's there regardless of what we call it and it was energizing Earth and life on Earth long before we even crawled up out of the ocean.
Batteries don't exist in nature.I do believe you are simply arguing at this point because you've been corrected and are not man enough to accept it.
You're the one making the idiotically pedantic argument. Pointing fingers won't hide how upset you are that your attempt at a correction got swatted down. -
2019-07-10 at 12:03 PM UTC.
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2019-07-10 at 12:06 PM UTC
Originally posted by Common De-mominator Because that's exactly what you're staring posits.
Huh??Batteries don't exist in nature.
Batteries are not energy. Batteries are man made devices.You're the one making the idiotically pedantic argument. Pointing fingers won't hide how upset you are that your attempt at a correction got swatted down.
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2019-07-10 at 12:13 PM UTCHere you go, you're welcome
bat·ter·y
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noun
noun: battery; plural noun: batteries; noun: the battery
1.
a container consisting of one or more cells, in which chemical energy is converted into electricity and used as a source of power.
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2019-07-10 at 12:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Huh??
StatingBatteries are not energy. Batteries are man made devices.
Again, energy isn't a special juice flowing around inside the battery. You deny this every time I point out that is exactly what you're saying, then go back to it anyway. You dont understand what you are insisting you do. It's basic stat mechanics.
The energy is literally the gradient between the concentration of ions at both terminals. The physical makeup of the battery is explicitly what generates energy. There's no distinction between the physical battery and the energy it generates.lololol
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