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Syria Retarded Thread
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2019-05-27 at 12:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by Octavian Oh of course not, a good percentage were most likely displaced by the war/ killed in cross fire/ air strikes, with the remainder brutally cleansed by ISIS.
Alright then let's not use words like "industrial genocide" if we both agree on this.
Originally posted by Octavian I love how Assad's industrial genocide of prisoners has been swept under the mat.
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2019-05-27 at 12:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Alright then let's not use words like "industrial genocide" if we both agree on this.
Hmmm numbers can be over inflated but how do you know that many have not been killed that way?
This is based on interviews with ex prisoners from Sednaya prison. So yeah, industrial murder is somewhat suitable way to describe mass killings on this level when not a result of war. -
2019-05-27 at 12:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny that sounds like a stupid offer.
what guarantees do they get that guarantees these surrenderers wont pick up arms and fight again ?
The green buses go to Idlib - they essentially got disarmed and sent to Terrorist Town. The idea was to give them a reason to surrender. Those that didn't want to get on the buses were offered amnesty (as long as they weren't ranking officers of a proscribed terrorist group or identified as serious war criminals) and placed into military units. The others went to jail.
The Idlib policy is the reason why Idlib is such a problem now, but it saved a lot of lives in the process. -
2019-05-27 at 12:56 PM UTC
Originally posted by Octavian www.mercurynews.com/2018/12/23/syrias-once-teeming-prison-cells-being-emptied-by-mass-murder/amp/
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1. The only source for that is rebels who were interned at the prison who are not known for their honesty.
2. A large number of the 'unaccounted-for' prisoners were what I mentioned earlier; Assad releasing vast numbers of Al-Nusra and Al-Qaeda affiliates early on in the war in the hopes that it'd stop tensions from escalating. It didn't.
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2019-05-27 at 12:58 PM UTCAs disgusting and barbaric as they are/ were, ISIS did well to get as far as they did. I just wonder had they not been so genocidal would they have won? They were practically on Assad's doorstep.
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2019-05-27 at 1 PM UTCYeah, if Russia hadn't stopped their oil trade they would've at the very least established a state on Syrian land. None of the western countries in Syria to 'fight ISIS' were actually making a real effort to fight ISIS; the idea being that it could be taken care of once they had destroyed Assad's government.
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2019-05-27 at 1:03 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Yeah, if Russia hadn't stopped their oil trade they would've at the very least established a state on Syrian land. None of the western countries in Syria to 'fight ISIS' were actually making a real effort to fight ISIS; the idea being that it could be taken care of once they had destroyed Assad's government.
Yeah that would have been a pretty viable plan but not one they could risk knowing if there were weapons that could have ended up in Daesh hands. -
2019-05-27 at 1:06 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra 1. The only source for that is rebels who were interned at the prison who are not known for their honesty.
2. A large number of the 'unaccounted-for' prisoners were what I mentioned earlier; Assad releasing vast numbers of Al-Nusra and Al-Qaeda affiliates early on in the war in the hopes that it'd stop tensions from escalating. It didn't.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/02/amnesty-report-hearsay.html
Oh shit I remember actually going through this data now.
Basically what happened was a few ex-prisoners from that prison were contacted by Amnesty International and asked how many executions they'd witnessed in an afternoon. Amnesty then extrapolated that number across 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for a number of months and came to an 'estimation' of >13,000 executions in the tested period... It even says in the Amnesty report that they only have ~30 names of people who were supposedly executed. -
2019-05-27 at 1:08 PM UTC
Originally posted by Octavian Yeah that would have been a pretty viable plan but not one they could risk knowing if there were weapons that could have ended up in Daesh hands.
it happened A LOT - either from US-backed rebels trading or giving their weapons away to ISIS or weapons being airdropped into regions jointly controlled by ISIS and other rebel groups. The only weapons that were controlled in any way whatsoever were the TOW anti-tank guns. -
2019-05-27 at 1:11 PM UTCAssuming it wasn't intentional is being extremely generous.
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2019-05-27 at 1:15 PM UTC"Shalom! With love from Tel'Aviv. Now go blow each other up."
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2019-05-27 at 1:16 PM UTClol, there was actually an incident where ISIS officially apologised to israel for accidentally dropping a mortar shell on their side of the border
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2019-05-27 at 1:17 PM UTC
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2019-05-27 at 1:20 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra lol, there was actually an incident where ISIS officially apologised to israel for accidentally dropping a mortar shell on their side of the border
No way would they have apologized for something like that.
So you think Israel gave weapons to any combatant in the war to just cause more death? -
2019-05-27 at 1:24 PM UTC
Originally posted by Octavian No way would they have apologized for something like that.
So you think Israel gave weapons to any combatant in the war to just cause more death?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-israel-defence-force-apology-attack-unit-golan-heights-defense-minister-moshe-ya-alon-a7700616.html
like I said - only Syria, Russia and Hezbullah were/are serious about defeating ISIS and the rebels. The rest of the major players (US, israel, Turkey, KSA etc.) see the rebels and ISIS as foreign policy tools to destroy Assad's government. -
2024-12-05 at 3:56 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra The green buses go to Idlib - they essentially got disarmed and sent to Terrorist Town. The idea was to give them a reason to surrender. Those that didn't want to get on the buses were offered amnesty (as long as they weren't ranking officers of a proscribed terrorist group or identified as serious war criminals) and placed into military units. The others went to jail.
The Idlib policy is the reason why Idlib is such a problem now, but it saved a lot of lives in the process.
is the interest accrued worth it ?
