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2019-04-07 at 4:38 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny tell me then what it means.
FDA approval doesn't mean it's impossible to overdose on a substance or grow addicted to it when you fail to take it as instructed. If that was the case, basic cough medicine would be illegal.
FDA approval simply means that whatever you're throwing out on the market meets minimum federal standards of safety that you can be reasonably sure you won't immediately die from taking it as directed. Many supplements that aren't FDA approved get almost immediately recalled because they cause severe damage, kill people, or their long term effects cause irreversible damage. -
2019-04-07 at 5 PM UTC
Originally posted by yabbadabbadindunuthin FDA approval doesn't mean it's impossible to overdose on a substance or grow addicted to it when you fail to take it as instructed. If that was the case, basic cough medicine would be illegal.
FDA approval simply means that whatever you're throwing out on the market meets minimum federal standards of safety that you can be reasonably sure you won't immediately die from taking it as directed. Many supplements that aren't FDA approved get almost immediately recalled because they cause severe damage, kill people, or their long term effects cause irreversible damage.
which is why FDA's approvals meant nothing. its just a rubber stamping body. federal standards of safety is a very subjective thing and if they want to or had been bribed to, can even certify fentanyl as "safe" provided you take it in micro doses as directed.
and its federal safety standard to the best of their knowledge. drugs and foods with FDA approvals are getting recalled due to new findings all the time. -
2019-04-07 at 5:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny which is why FDA's approvals meant nothing. its just a rubber stamping body. federal standards of safety is a very subjective thing and if they want to or had been bribed to, can even certify fentanyl as "safe" provided you take it in micro doses as directed.
It's not subjective at all! They have a freaking 200 page document defining what "white chocolate" is. The entire point is to hold companies liable by employing unified language and agreed upon terms to ensure what they sell to consumers. That way, customers can make an informed choice about what they're putting in their bodies.
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny and its federal safety standard to the best of their knowledge. drugs and foods with FDA approvals are getting recalled due to new findings all the time.
Yeah, they get recalled by the FDA. That's the whole point. If you didn't have an FDA, do you think corporations would recall their entire product line because 2% of their consumers have linked their product to liver damage? -
2019-04-07 at 5:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by yabbadabbadindunuthin It's not subjective at all! They have a freaking 200 page document defining what "white chocolate" is. The entire point is to hold companies liable by employing unified language and agreed upon terms to ensure what they sell to consumers. That way, customers can make an informed choice about what they're putting in their bodies.
Yeah, they get recalled by the FDA. That's the whole point. If you didn't have an FDA, do you think corporations would recall their entire product line because 2% of their consumers have linked their product to liver damage?
let me remind you that johnson&johnson baby powders are/were FDA approved.
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2019-04-07 at 5:40 PM UTCAre you blowing smoke up my ass?
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2019-04-07 at 5:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by yabbadabbadindunuthin FDA approval doesn't mean it's impossible to overdose on a substance or grow addicted to it when you fail to take it as instructed. If that was the case, basic cough medicine would be illegal.
FDA approval simply means that whatever you're throwing out on the market meets minimum federal standards of safety that you can be reasonably sure you won't immediately die from taking it as directed. Many supplements that aren't FDA approved get almost immediately recalled because they cause severe damage, kill people, or their long term effects cause irreversible damage.
Not true at all. The FDA regularly and knowingly approves substances containing known toxins and poisons, and also rely on the profiteering terrorists themselves to police their own acts of terror and conduct their own so-called "studies". The FDA does not represent safety, neither does it represent the people who sign their paychecks. They serve the crony capitalists and their bottom line. That's it. That's all. -
2019-04-07 at 5:51 PM UTC
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2019-04-07 at 6:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny let me remind you that johnson&johnson baby powders are/were FDA approved.
for multiple generations.
Originally posted by -SpectraL Not true at all. The FDA regularly and knowingly approves substances containing known toxins and poisons, and also rely on the profiteering terrorists themselves to police their own acts of terror and conduct their own so-called "studies". The FDA does not represent safety, neither does it represent the people who sign their paychecks. They serve the crony capitalists and their bottom line. That's it. That's all.
I don't think you guys are understanding my point at all, because what you're saying has no bearing on it whatsoever.
My argument is not that the FDA is perfect system.
My argument is not that the FDA is immune to corruption.
My argument is not that the FDA has never been wrong.
My argument is not that the FDA hasn't ever revoked their approval of drugs.
My point is simply that, if you're going to put drugs or supplements into your body, you're better off at least having a bare-bones standards enforced by an imperfect government agency regulate it than allowing corporations to run wild selling whatever they want. In the overwhelming majority cases, the FDA has prevented many of the atrocities that you saw in the early 1900s when nothing was regulated at all. Just a friendly reminder that more soldiers died in the Spanish American war from poisoned meat rations than enemy fire, cocaine was prescribed as medicine, and even soda had cocaine in it. The reason this kind of hogwash came to a stop is because Roosevelt started the FDA.
I know you guys are clearly hostile to the government, but I sincerely fucking doubt that when you get prescribed medicine from a doctor, you go out and find a non-FDA approved alternative because you think the government is out to get you or the FDA is a bunch of "terrorists."
To my original point within this thread, I'm not relying on non-FDA approved supplements to get 200 grams of protein a day even if simply due to the fact that people die from this kind of stuff all the time.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-04-09 at 4:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by yabbadabbadindunuthin My point is simply that, if you're going to put drugs or supplements into your body, you're better off at least having a bare-bones standards enforced by an imperfect government agency regulate it
yes, and my point is that there are better body that caters to your requirements in this respect out there other than the FDA.
when i could afford it, i usually try to get things that are certified safe for consumption in europe by the EC rather than in US by the FDA. -
2019-04-09 at 4:54 AM UTC
Originally posted by yabbadabbadindunuthin My point is simply that, if you're going to put drugs or supplements into your body, you're better off at least having a bare-bones standards enforced by an imperfect government agency regulate it than allowing corporations to run wild selling whatever they want. …
Totally not the actual case. The FDA does not enforce "bare-bones standards". In fact, they don't enforce shit. And they do allow corporations to run wild selling whatever they want. Everyone and their dog knows this now. Just take a look at any random food recall sheet. Thousands of entries. Salmonella, botulism, you name it, they allow it. They don't give a shit about people's health or public safety at all! -
2019-04-09 at 9:11 AM UTC"Product recalls happen" does not entail "the FDA does nothing".The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-04-09 at 1:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny "Product recalls happen" does not entail "the FDA does nothing".
Not at that rate. I asked the customer service desk clerk at my local grocery store to see their recall book the other day, and it was at least a foot thick and contained literally thousands of recent recalls, for very serious and sometimes fatal diseases. Same companies throughout. The regular actors can put poison and diseases on the shelves again and again and again, over spans of decades, and the so-called regulators gleefully allow them to. They do nothing! And you know why? Because they serve the bottom line of the crony capitalists and not the people! They work for them, not for us! There's no such thing as "acceptable" losses, when it comes to people's lives. -
2019-04-09 at 4:42 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-04-09 at 6:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by benny but lanny, alcohols are evil.
for every gallons of alcohol you consume, an equal amount of gallon of CO2 is released. worse when its colored alcohols, like whiskeys and cognacs because then, trees, normally harmless oaks that do nothing but mind their own business of slurping up dioxides of carbon and refurbishing them into oxygen in the forests would have to be chopped down, turned into barrels and charred.
producing loads of carbon. and its dioxides. even worse is when these brandies and whiskies need to be pass thru charcoal enhancements, because then, blocks of virgin oaks would have to be chopped up and burnt, releasing an even greater amount of CO2, just to produce lumps of single use charcoal for charcoal enhancements.
Originally posted by dr bitchface My philosophy in life is that if I can't do it drunk then it's probably too much effort to be worth doing sober.
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Originally posted by best boi Saddle up MORALLY SUPERIOR BEINGs, fields used for the cultivation of coffee contribute to mass starvation as these acres could be used to farm FOOD CROPS but they aren't, therfor we have a moral obligation to stop drinking coffee immediately.
This is why it is evil for lanny to stuff all the butter sauce twinkies into his gullet and down to his fat ASS. He is contributing to the PAIN AND SUFFEREING of other peoples, therefor LANNY is MORRALLY BAD -
2019-04-09 at 6:21 PM UTCalso, the end result of intensive farming by the vege industrial complex due to the persistent demand of vegetables by utili-vegetarians :
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2019-04-15 at 11:35 AM UTCI apologize. Iv'e been busy IRL. So in case anyone forgot how I feel about this thread.
Fuck this thread!The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-04-15 at 6:25 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-04-15 at 8:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano but lanny, alcohols are evil.
for every gallons of alcohol you consume, an equal amount of gallon of CO2 is released. worse when its colored alcohols, like whiskeys and cognacs because then, trees, normally harmless oaks that do nothing but mind their own business of slurping up dioxides of carbon and refurbishing them into oxygen in the forests would have to be chopped down, turned into barrels and charred.
producing loads of carbon. and its dioxides. even worse is when these brandies and whiskies need to be pass thru charcoal enhancements, because then, blocks of virgin oaks would have to be chopped up and burnt, releasing an even greater amount of CO2, just to produce lumps of single use charcoal for charcoal enhancements.
Originally posted by dr bitchface
My philosophy in life is that if I can't do it drunk then it's probably too much effort to be worth doing sober.
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Originally posted by best boi
Saddle up MORALLY SUPERIOR BEINGs, fields used for the cultivation of coffee contribute to mass starvation as these acres could be used to farm FOOD CROPS but they aren't, therfor we have a moral obligation to stop drinking coffee immediately.
This is why it is evil for lanny to stuff all the butter sauce twinkies into his gullet and down to his fat ASS. He is contributing to the PAIN AND SUFFEREING of other peoples, therefor LANNY is MORRALLY BAD
Fucking moral hypocrite who obv can't refute a word I said. Lil' Empty has never been more fitting. -
2019-04-15 at 10:43 PM UTCDifferent animals deserve different levels of respect as moral agents.
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2019-04-16 at 12:57 AM UTCwhy
