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Well the Mueller report is in the hands of the AG, now what?
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2019-04-12 at 11:58 AM UTCI mean I'm open to being proven wrong, but I've not seen ANY compelling evidence.
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2019-04-12 at 12:34 PM UTCAnd my point is that what they did was not illegal.
No arrests for Russian involvement? I totally disagree with you. You saying that Mueller didn’t put out warrants for 12 Russian nationals? It has been proven that they set out a huge propaganda campaign. The lie that Hilliary was sickly was from Russian propaganda. You can say that that didn’t affect our elections, but you know there are people stupid enough to believe everything they read.
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2019-04-12 at 12:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist And my point is that what they did was not illegal.
No arrests for Russian involvement? I totally disagree with you.
Find me an actual arrest. The closest is that Papadoupolis guy who got arrested for having an email exchange with a Russian professor and not thinking it was important enough to report to the FBI.
Originally posted by Technologist You saying that Mueller didn’t put out warrants for 12 Russian nationals?
That was a political stunt. He knew that there was no way Russia was going to extradite its citizens without an extremely good reason so he essentially just made up charges for domestic consumption. Moscow actually offered to open a joint investigation into those people but Mueller refused to share any evidence he may have had so it went nowhere. -
2019-04-12 at 12:50 PM UTCHe indicted 34, 7 were convicted with more to come.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3266050002
I know you think it’s all political, but I disagree. That was no stunt in my eyes. He was commissioned to investigate Russian influence over our election, and he indicted 12 Russian nationals because that is what he found in his investigation, nothing more to it.
I know you like the Russians because you dislike jedis. But you and I know that if Putin could destroy our democracy he would. He is no friend of this country. -
2019-04-12 at 12:51 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist There has to be a court ruling before surveillance can be conducted, and there were. This spying shit is baloney. As long as they followed protocol, there is nothing nefarious about it.
COMEY, okay'd the FISA warrant and took it to get the OK surveillance on Trump... but left out the part that the democraps ie HILLARY CLINTON campaign was behind it and was paying for it. If any of the FISA judges knew this... the warrant would have NEVER been approved- period. There was plenty of collusion going on, alright... except it was in the democraps own "backyard" and this is just the real 'fact' of the matter. They never thought TRUMP would win-- therefore, "thought" it would never come out or come to the light of day with Hillary in the White House; however, BAM! TRUMP blew all that plan to shit by winning the election so they had no choice but to try and keep it all a secret under the rouse of "collusion bullshit" and try and impeach... but the democrats where "TRUMP'd" again when he was cleared. lmao.
Yes, there was plenty of nefarious chit going on... this is the democraps own "Watergate" but far worse than just spying on another party... they tried to rig a damn election! and yet try and pretend they didn't do any such thing! way, way worse than NIXON. Hell, Nixon will no longer be the "shade" of government. In fact, I'll bet he'll be rendered a fuq'n hero.... after all the chit all comes out about/on the Democratic Party.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-04-12 at 12:57 PM UTCPurdi?
It’s hilarious the spin that can be put on things. We see things totally different.
Again, nothing will come of this because what they did will not be found to be illigal.
I see that these republicans standing behind trump will go down in history as spineless lackies. I see trumps illegal activities come to light. It’s coming, even if it’s not in the Mueller report. There are too many cases coming at trump.
Purdi, im just being logical in my eyes. Look at all the crooked people around trump. Are you saying they’re all crooked, and he’s not?
Birds of a feather etc., etc.. -
2019-04-12 at 1 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist He indicted 34, 7 were convicted with more to come.
I'm aware, but as far as I know none of them have been arrested for anything to do with Russian influence. Every one I've looked into has just been run of the mill corruption or not answering the FBI's questions to their satisfaction - the same sort of thing that politicians would get arrested for en masse if the entire government were probed.
Feel free to point it out if I've missed one.
Originally posted by Technologist I know you think it’s all political, but I disagree. That was no stunt in my eyes.
Accusing Russian citizens of a crime and expecting Russia to hand them over without providing any evidence is absolutely a stunt. If Medvedev were to accuse a bunch of US citizens of a crime without providing any evidence, would you take him at his word, assume he was being honest and extradite those people? To bypass your own justice system and dump them straight into a foreign one?
Originally posted by Technologist I know you like the Russians because you dislike jedis. But you and I know that if Putin could destroy our democracy he would. He is no friend of this country.
lol, those are two separate things, jedis actually have significant influence in Russia too. Russia is likely to get a lot LESS friendly to the west when Putin retires - in terms of geopolitics and international relations, he's backed down and compromised A LOT more than most Russians are comfortable with in order to try and keep the peace.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-04-12 at 1:07 PM UTCAldra,
He had to indict them regardless if they would be extradited or not. He found them guilty and he put it out there. He knew they wouldn’t be extradited but it’s what he found in his investigation. Should he have just forgot about them because they wouldn’t be extradited? Nahhhh.
As I’ve said before, I never said there was collusion, but these 7 Russian nationals were indicted for trying to influence our elections.
As far as I knew we were discussing Barr thinking trump was “spied” on. How did we get on this tangent? Lol -
2019-04-12 at 1:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Yes, but there was nothing illegal about surveilling his campaign, there was intel that the Russians were trying to sway our elections. It looks like they sure did.
Of course there was illegality. You can't legally submit a bogus FISA application you already know contains false and misleading and unverified information. That's a felony. -
2019-04-12 at 1:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Purdi?
It’s hilarious the spin that can be put on things. We see things totally different.
Again, nothing will come of this because what they did will not be found to be illigal.
I see that these republicans standing behind trump will go down in history as spineless lackies. I see trumps illegal activities come to light. It’s coming, even if it’s not in the Mueller report. There are too many cases coming at trump.
Purdi, im just being logical in my eyes. Look at all the crooked people around trump. Are you saying they’re all crooked, and he’s not?
Birds of a feather etc., etc..
.... the government, was "CROOKED" before Trump hit town. To think or deny this fact is kinda naive'. I never thought, or said Trump is perfect. In fact, I wouldn't like the man on a personal level for some of his past; however, the man is one hell of a PATRIOT. He love America and thinks we are the 'greatest' county there is... and wants to KEEP it that way. The greed of the Democratic Party will affect us for years... selling our uranium, allowing the overtaxing of American imports/exports... the democraps have abused it's power for so long at the expense of us, Americans! One thing about Trump is many of his views hasn't changed. and I say many-- because, he is a 'politician' now, and that's just the rules in the game of 'high rollers' of government; however, Trump is NO SELLOUT. He may be a lot of things... unsavory, if you wish; but he's no frikn' sellout to the highest bidder, like the Clinton's & Obama were, and for that, I'm still...
TRUMP 2020
but no hard feelings to you, tho, Tech.
We'll grumble, disagree... banter, or whatever. Won't change how I like you as a 'person' even if you are wrong... lol ;pThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-04-12 at 1:13 PM UTC
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2019-04-12 at 1:19 PM UTCYou are so sweet Purdi, but you are wrong😂
The man is no patriot, he is destroying our country and the little man just to get what he wants.
All I can say Purdi is we’ll see what happens in the next two years, then you and I can really discuss it. He may turn out to be an awesome pres in the next two years, but I highly doubt that.
Ohhh, and where did I ever say that politicians weren’t crooks? I’ve known this forever. There are different levels of being a crook. I’m not blind girly.😘 -
2019-04-12 at 1:21 PM UTC
Originally posted by Firekrochfatty …NOBODY, paid for his campaign for him. NO big Pharm company, big beef… etc. No one 'bought' his campaign… and I liked that fact! I really enjoyed how he told 'em all to fuq off and pound sand. It was, rather, kinda refreshing!
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2019-04-12 at 1:25 PM UTC
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2019-04-12 at 1:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist You are so sweet Purdi, but you are wrong😂
The man is no patriot, he is destroying our country and the little man just to get what he wants.
All I can say Purdi is we’ll see what happens in the next two years, then you and I can really discuss it. He may turn out to be an awesome pres in the next two years, but I highly doubt that.
Ohhh, and where did I ever say that politicians weren’t crooks? I’ve known this forever. There are different levels of being a crook. I’m not blind girly.😘
well, I kinda think him NOT wanting to 'give' our natural resources away to the highest bidder, and doing away with all the shity NAFTA Trade chit does make him more of a 'patriot' than the Clinton's & Obama. His views on NAFTA has never changed. go back and listen to some of his interviews from the 80's etc. He wanted to get rid of NAFTA then, and some of his views on foreign policy, too. Yeah, I feel he's pretty patriotic. American's need to stop being lazy and wanting free handouts from the government... and start doing more for our country; rather, than what it will do for them like it has been for decades.
Trump wants AMERICA to be #1 and to keep it that way. There's only room for 'one' big dog in the world... and I do 'feel' he wants that dog to always be AMERICAN, and I'm right there with him on that! -
2019-04-12 at 1:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by Firekrochfatty …NOBODY, paid for his campaign for him. NO big Pharm company, big beef… etc. No one 'bought' his campaign… and I liked that fact! I really enjoyed how he told 'em all to fuq off and pound sand. It was, rather, kinda refreshing!
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2019-04-12 at 1:39 PM UTCGod I lubs you Purdi, but I know we will never see 👁 to 👁 when it comes to politics.
I sit here and wonder why you don’t see it the way I do, and I’m sure you wonder how I don’t see it how you do. Ahhhh differences makes the world go round! -
2019-04-12 at 1:41 PM UTC
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2019-04-12 at 1:44 PM UTCHe bombed Assad, knowing full well he was being setup by McCain and his goons. He threw the cretins in the military industrial complex a bone. That's just one example where he let us all know he's not exactly what he purports to be. Sure, better than Hillary, but still worth keeping a close eye on.
