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Should women be allowed to combat?
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2016-03-28 at 5:48 AM UTCIn the military? What do you think?
I'm sure a couple people here like billthecat and probably someone else have been in the military, so It would be interesting to hear your first hand experience with training with women. All I know is that girls in PE class growing up, were subject to less pushups, pull ups, ect.. And while there are some women who are more than physically capable , I think it goes as a general rule of thumb that women last the same kind of strength/ stamina as guys do.
I personally think that women should be held to the same standards as men as far as physicallity goes, but at the same time I've even heard things about how if there was ever a draft (probably wont happen for a long time) that many women would get pregnant as a way to get out of going. *ive heard it happens fairly often today despite there being no draft, but to just get out of service*
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2016-03-28 at 6:16 AM UTCCapitalist pigs can't into military state.
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2016-03-28 at 6:40 AM UTC^a picture of women marching with rifles is kind of a non sequitur..
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2016-03-28 at 11:43 AM UTCWhen Defense secretary Ashton Carter announced, with the backing of the obama admin, that they were going to open up all combat roles to women, i nearly choked. It will be very interesting to see how the military will try to dodge and subvert this new mandate over the course of the next few years. This piece sums is up best: [INDENT]
[FONT=times new roman][SIZE=12px]From Antietam, Meuse-Argonne, Anzio, Okinawa, Pork Chop Hill, the Ia Drang, Falujah, and countless bloodied American battlefields before and since, ghostly voices call out to American women, “Welcome to the infantry… but beware!†Though proud of their heritage and sacrifice, the voices know too well the hardships and horrors that come with the rough duty of direct combat. They wonder how such duty will elevate American womanhood.
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“Listen,†they say, “this is not about promotions, nor equality, nor pride in individual ability to compete physically with men. This is not a gentleman’s club whose barriers you are crashing, nor a prize to be won. Infantry warfare means closing with and destroying the enemy, with all the suffering and hardship that is entailed on both sides of that conjunction.†Each from his own era can recall the falsely reassuring words: ‘It will over by Christmas.’
‘Why one of us can defeat ten of them.’ ‘They will flee in terror.’ ‘We control the air and the seas — they will be frozen in place.’ ‘It will not be that bad.’
But it has always been ‘that bad’ — and worse. The warm weather turns cold, then freezing; hands stiffen, feet get frost bitten, equipment fails at many degrees below zero, morale sags, spirits break. Mobility is nullified, the ‘lightning’ campaign becomes a drawn out slog — mud and filth cake the infantryman’s clothing, extreme fatigue becomes his natural state. There is no respite from the elements — jungles envelope, rains soak, winds howl, deserts parch, sores fester, insects bite, leeches chew, bodies smell, minds haunt. Closing with the enemy is not merely a matter of hoisting a heavy pack, passing a physical fitness test, withstanding the comparatively small stresses of pre-combat training. It is total commitment to enduring misery, discomfort, pain, exhaustion, and privation.
And then comes the combat. What does it mean, after all, to destroy the enemy? The voices know that war has not changed its nature; they do not believe that hand to hand, face to face fighting is no more — a theory so glibly stated by those who will never have to test it themselves. Close combat remains deafening explosions, desperate dashes through onslaughts of cracking bullets, screaming rockets, exploding grenades, and crushing mortars seeking to tear flesh, splinter bones, and shred organs. It is probing through minefields and booby traps designed to disembowel, the violent eruption of a close ambush, and patrolling all night to snatch a prisoner, probe a bunker complex, or steal a march. It is rushing headlong into enemy trench lines or bursting into occupied buildings, numbed indifferent by fear and adrenalin to smashed ribs, broken teeth, and concertina wire gashes. It is holding a position against heavy attack when air power, artillery support, and reinforcements are withheld for reasons known only to those above your pay grade. It is firing your weapon until your eardrums burst, tossing grenades to just the other side of the dirt mound to your front, using any means at your disposal (rifle butts, bayonets, entrenching tools, rocks, hands) to kill until there is certainty that your enemy cannot kill you back. It is living with what you have done and then doing it all over again the next day. Direct combat is savagery, gore, violence, and death — all of it up close and personal.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Tiempos][SIZE=17px][FONT=times new roman][SIZE=12px]“Why,†the infantrymen ask of the women, “are you being drawn to this? Why does American society wish you to do this? Are there not enough men who will fight? Will your joining us increase the chances of victory or lessen the loss of life?†They will welcome women to their ranks if so ordered, support them in combat as they would any other fellow soldier. They ask only that the women carry their weight, support them in return, and do their duty — no matter what. Nonetheless, the voices wonder at the wisdom of it all. They know that close combat can brook no modified standards, offer no second chances. In truth, they regret that the gender they have been raised to cherish and protect will now share in the horror — not only those who have eagerly pursued the ‘opportunity’, but very likely those as well who would have preferred to avoid it. And they wonder how our society will look back upon this decision when the casualty lists again extend many pages and we note therein that the genders are equally represented[/SIZE][/FONT].[/SIZE][/FONT] -
2016-03-28 at 11:51 AM UTCSure if they want to, but the standards for entry should be the same for men and women.
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2016-03-28 at 10:49 PM UTC
^a picture of women marching with rifles is kind of a non sequitur..
at any rate, i don't know how far this would go in this forum, because it seems like it's the only obstacle before half this site's loss of virginity
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2016-03-29 at 1:05 AM UTCmen in society arent capable of being in a combat environment with women. in the future once both sexes have evolved to a better state of maturity, mental stability, and self control, yes...
ive been on british combat ships where women are present and have been to israel where women are in front-line combat units. both situations had more fucking going on, as well as inappropriate fraternization, than is anywhere near appropriate. my own experience with women on a warship:
- the degree of fucking was obviously rampant. the better looking chicks (enlisted or officer) tended to fuck the officers while the hideous looking ones fucked the enlisted.
- story: one night i was going to my super-sekrit hiding spot (it was outside the ship where they stored the motor-whale-boats and very secluded) to do some exercise and opened the hatch on a couple in the midst of fucking. it was pitch black but there was enough light to see the chicks top unbottoned and t-shirt pulled up and both of their trousers pulled down. in my best command-voice i basically told them to (red queen from 'alice through the looking glass' berating johnny depp: 'stoppit'.)
i didnt give a shit...i just wanted them out of my workout-space
- story: on a ship the bathrooms are called 'heads.' some fucking genius thought it would be a good idea to make signs saying 'male head' for the mens bathrooms and 'female head' on the chicks bathrooms. there were many instances of 'additions' to these placards...my favorite being the addition of a price
- prostitution on my ship was common enough yet in the category of 'dont ask dont tell'
- there were many instances of bitches getting pregnant prior to a deployment. ive had first-hand conversations with chicks who said theyve done it or planned to do it. i dont remember the stats at this point but there were records kept on pregnancies and prior to a unit deploying the pregnancy rate shot up something like 85%
- there were several...entirely too many...instances where i had to have 'come to jesus' conversations with individuals who were getting too careless with their fraternization. my favorite: i threw a container of 'bug juice' at a couple who were holding hands in a darkened room where a movie was playing. i had already made clear several, several times that they needed to keep their shit fully covert due to their job positions but they were still teenagers, stupid, and had zero responsibility. additionally it was known i had disciplined them so if i didnt discipline them after multiple individuals saw what they were doing, i would have been in shit.
- when the situation is politicized individuals are placed in positions for no other reason than because they are there to fill a political agenda. ie, i know of a female EA-6 pilot whos piloting skills would have landed her in a non-piloting role had she been a man. instead she was allowed behind the stick and repeatedly did stupid shit. landing too hard, fucking up the airframe was the most common...but i cant remember all of the list at this point. what finally resulted in her getting fired was damned near clipping the island after getting a wave-off that she didnt wave-off. i would have fucked 'er tho
- women want equal rights and treatment...yet they dont have to register for selective service. more evidence that they dont want equality, they want to be treated speshul
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2016-03-29 at 1:06 AM UTC
Capitalist pigs can't into military state.
any instance where women are wearing dresses or heels is full proof that they are not intended to be combat-capable. -
2016-03-29 at 2:37 AM UTCNo they need to be in the kitchen making me a sandwich.
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2016-03-30 at 12:18 AM UTC
any instance where women are wearing dresses or heels is full proof that they are not intended to be combat-capable.
It is well known that an all-female fleet of North Korean sailors captured the USS Pueblo(AGER-2) and everyone aboard. It still remains in the DPRK as a war museum.
