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I used to think Flat Earthers were just being satirical and/or trolling
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2018-12-21 at 6:41 PM UTCToday is the first day of Winter. Tomorrow is the first Day of Winter Solstice
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2018-12-21 at 6:43 PM UTC
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2018-12-21 at 6:48 PM UTCLake Ontario and Lake Baikal are the same body of water. The innuit used to be able to travel between Chelyabinsk and Detroit in 3 days by using some of the rivers in the region.
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2018-12-21 at 6:58 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING III: The Quest for 911 Truth Lake Ontario and Lake Baikal are the same body of water. The innuit used to be able to travel between Chelyabinsk and Detroit in 3 days by using some of the rivers in the region.
while scooping up salmon on the ride? how did they get back? -
2018-12-21 at 6:58 PM UTC
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2018-12-21 at 7 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING III: The Quest for 911 Truth It's the solstice today. Did you feel the earth stop precession, and suddenly change direction?
No?
That's cos the concept of a spherical earth is nonsense. The world is flat, it is known.
Not happening until 22:23(GMT) ya moron.
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2018-12-21 at 7:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by HTS lol globeheads are retarded, i used to think you ball lovers were trolling too but it turns out you're actually stupid
water doesn't curve around a spinning ball, dumb butt. if you believe the sun is 93 million miles away you're also stupid and can't be helped. like seriously… moran.
You're so stoopid you can't even spell moron.
lol
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2018-12-21 at 7:27 PM UTCI'm gonna kinda rant here, because yeah: I mostly pretend to be a Flat Earther in Flat Earth "debate" groups on Facebook, where the globe side of the "debate" is full of the most insufferable people imaginable. It's kinda the same vibe I get from fedora atheists - people who are too stupid to win any kind of consequential argument, who pick on the lowest hanging possible fruit because it's the only way they can "win" and feel smarter than someone else. People who feel the need to beat others over the head with science they've never experimentally verified themselves are the dumbest smart people, so I play the smartest dumb person to remind them that they really aren't that bright. At least Flat Earthers go out and try to gather evidence via experimentation (albeit deeply flawed experimentation)... in my opinion that still puts them miles ahead of a globehead who thinks they know what is True because they read it in a book. Only one of those types of people is actually interested in discovering the Truth for themselves, which is as noble a goal as they come.
The whole vaguely religious culture of belief surrounding the sciences in general is deeply offputting to me. I weep for the Starbucks baristas with liberal arts degrees who worship at the church of Popular Science, and follow the teachings of the prophets Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye the Science Guy. And god help you if you try to point out the shaky-as-fuck foundations of their worldview... how little they truly know, and how much of what they think they know is based on faith (just using that word'll set them off). Rather than grapple with the epistemological nightmare that is our existence, they seek comfort in their delusions of Truth. I can't fault them for that - it is, after all, almost a default of the human condition - but when they start acting like they're better than people whose delusions of Truth differ from their own... it kinda makes me sick.
Science is useful, and neat, but you don't understand everything well enough to tell whether or not everything is true. Even highly specialized scientists with PhDs are really taking it on faith when they accept findings from fields outside their narrow scope of expertise. Science is not a perfect system, except in the sense that it's a system for discovering what is likely to be true, and which acknowledges that it is not a perfect system. If we forget the word "likely" and that last part, it becomes hardly distinguishable from religion. Maybe that's simply the same age-old flaw in human thinking. When something we believe is true gets proven wrong, people say that means science is working. But when you point out that this also means that what we believe now could very well be just as wrong, people - feeling as though their beliefs are being attacked - start screaming about proof, instead of just... acknowledging the reality of how little they know. It's almost like the inverse of the "god of the gaps" fallacy, where we believe there are no gaps in our collective knowledge... until they're discovered, at which point we applaud ourselves and go back to feeling as if there are, once again, no gaps.
Whatever the case, it rubs me the wrong way. Pointless rant over.
tl;dr - everyone is stupid, nobody is willing to admit how little they know, and science is great when treated with the right philosophical care but is elsewise as intellectually bankrupt as religiosityThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-12-21 at 7:29 PM UTC
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2018-12-21 at 7:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by HTS I'm gonna kinda rant here, because yeah: I mostly pretend to be a Flat Earther in Flat Earth "debate" groups on Facebook, where the globe side of the "debate" is full of the most insufferable people imaginable. It's kinda the same vibe I get from fedora atheists - people who are too stupid to win any kind of consequential argument, who pick on the lowest hanging possible fruit because it's the only way they can "win" and feel smarter than someone else. People who feel the need to beat others over the head with science they've never experimentally verified themselves are the dumbest smart people, so I play the smartest dumb person to remind them that they really aren't that bright.
Yeah we know, its pretty obvious dude.
As is soiboy and banny and the rest of y'all in here.
Except Bill Krozby, he actually is that stupid.
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2018-12-22 at 1:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by totse3.com how did they get back?
Probably they just rowed their canoes.
I know this sounds farfetched, but research these things for yourself. These things are well known. For instance Auckland and Vancouver are the same city. The city councils meet in the exact same building on alternating days. -
2018-12-22 at 2:07 AM UTC
Originally posted by HTS At least Flat Earthers go out and try to gather evidence via experimentation (albeit deeply flawed experimentation)… in my opinion that still puts them miles ahead of a globehead who thinks they know what is True because they read it in a book. Only one of those types of people is actually interested in discovering the Truth for themselves, which is as noble a goal as they come.
Lol.
Ok my ex-roommate, who happened to be an escort and frequent meth-user, and is currently in prison for gun-related charges, used to always "cite evidence" for her beliefs in a so-called "flat-earth."
It was always some stupid YouTube video or some reference to how a pilot's visual perspective when taking off somehow proves her case.
Like, when was the last time she flew a fucking plane?
I hate to resort to ad hominem arguments, but flat-earthers overwhelmingly tend to lie somewhere south of the bell curve of what constitutes a "normal person", let alone even remotely educated.
I always gave her the benefit of the doubt and assumed she was IRL trolling me, but her facial expressions and body language revealed her actual beliefs. -
2018-12-22 at 2:11 AM UTCFlat earthers claim to have members all across the globe.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-12-22 at 2:15 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Like, when was the last time she flew a fucking plane?
When is the last time you did?
Flat earth is a misnomer. The earth isn't flat, in fact the concept of "earth" is itself toxic. I prefer to call it "worldism". As in the whole world has an up and a down, and if you dispute that you're crazy.
So how does a sphere enter into that? What is an earth? Have you ever seen an earth? What you see every day is the world, the whole world, and the only world. It's not a sphere. You're well deluded if you think the world is a sphere hopping around in space. We know how spheres work - spheres are part of the world, the world isn't part of a sphere. -
2018-12-22 at 2:20 AM UTCJapan is not an island, but is in fact a landlocked country bordered on the west, south and east by Finland, and to the North by Texas. From the Shinkansen, or bullet train, one can see large areas of the Texan countryside, and in fact the Shinkansen is one of the cheaper ways to view Texas.
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2018-12-22 at 2:24 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING III: The Quest for 911 Truth When is the last time you did?
Flat earth is a misnomer. The earth isn't flat, in fact the concept of "earth" is itself toxic. I prefer to call it "worldism". As in the whole world has an up and a down, and if you dispute that you're crazy.
So how does a sphere enter into that? What is an earth? Have you ever seen an earth? What you see every day is the world, the whole world, and the only world. It's not a sphere. You're well deluded if you think the world is a sphere hopping around in space. We know how spheres work - spheres are part of the world, the world isn't part of a sphere.
I'm going to be totally honest here in saying that I just trust what science textbooks tell us about the shape of the planet.
Of course I have no first-hand evidence that the Earth is round.
I don't need to become an astronaut just to verify the shape of the Earth.
Argumentum ad populum is not always a fallacy.
Sometimes there's a reason most people just agree on something without needing first-hand evidence.
It just makes the most sense.
And how exactly would the powers that be (government, etc) benefit from lying about the shape of the Earth?
At least some conspiracy theories have some rationale behind them.
The notion of an Earth that is any shape but spherical just has no rhyme or reason to it.
It's just a way to be contrarian for no reason whatsoever. -
2018-12-22 at 2:37 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks And how exactly would the powers that be (government, etc) benefit from lying about the shape of the Earth?
By controlling trade.
The modern world is built on interest/debt-based money/banking and that works by businesses borrowing money to supply things people want.
So you borrow money in order to build ships in order to buy tea to import it to Britain. The principal + interest is repaid by the success of your business venture.
At some stage the aristocracy decided they could make more money by manipulating people's understanding of geography. For instance the most fertile tea growing regions of India are approximately 50 miles east from London, in the "North Sea". A clipper could do 3 runs a day in perfect weather.
However by convincing people that India is thousands of miles and several weeks away merchants could earn massive profits on their imports. Part of this con involved the fiction of the "globe" and the "discovery" of the distant lost continent of the "Americas".
The world actually consists of only 3 actual continents, and bears almost no relation to traditional maps - or "globes" if wrapping a map around a football is your kick. -
2018-12-22 at 2:45 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING III: The Quest for 911 Truth By controlling trade.
The modern world is built on interest/debt-based money/banking and that works by businesses borrowing money to supply things people want.
So you borrow money in order to build ships in order to buy tea to import it to Britain. The principal + interest is repaid by the success of your business venture.
At some stage the aristocracy decided they could make more money by manipulating people's understanding of geography. For instance the most fertile tea growing regions of India are approximately 50 miles east from London, in the "North Sea". A clipper could do 3 runs a day in perfect weather.
However by convincing people that India is thousands of miles and several weeks away merchants could earn massive profits on their imports. Part of this con involved the fiction of the "globe" and the "discovery" of the distant lost continent of the "Americas".
The world actually consists of only 3 actual continents, and bears almost no relation to traditional maps - or "globes" if wrapping a map around a football is your kick.
This would make fascinating science fiction or alternative history fiction.
But, as with any conspiracy theory, it just falls apart when you think about just how many people would have to be on on it and keep it a secret.
I respect that you don't dedicate yourself to any particular non-spherical shape. It shows that you are thinking at least somewhat critically about it.
But think of the logistics of sustaining such a secret for so long... That should be enough to at least make you consider that you could be wrong.
I could totally be wrong about the shape of the Earth. For all I know, it's a donut or a cylinder or a Mobius strip...
But if I had to place my bets, I would go with round. -
2018-12-22 at 2:51 AM UTC
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2018-12-22 at 2:53 AM UTCDoes it really matter? You can't change anything no matter what you believe.
