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China to control Fentanyl
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2018-12-03 at 12:42 PM UTCIt will come from Canada next keep an eye out for Canadian vendors of fentanyl because a lot of them get it from labs in Canada instead of ordering it from China which cuts out USA and China customs. Canada does large volume international shipping so you can easily get it from Canada sent to anywhere in the world.
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2018-12-03 at 12:49 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra What even is the 'deal'? The few articles I skimmed only referred to China 'scheduling' fentanyl - it was already illegal in China given how rarely any opioid is prescribed after the opium wars, so what did they actually do?
Isn't China run by relationships and soft power? Like pretty much everything is illegal, but it depends on if the authorities are interested in enforcing the laws or not. Guanxi and all that.
I honestly imagine Xi will just have someone call the heads of the factories and tell them to stop making fentanyl, and they will comply. -
2018-12-03 at 12:51 PM UTCThey can just make analogs
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2018-12-03 at 12:56 PM UTC
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2018-12-03 at 1:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra What even is the 'deal'? The few articles I skimmed only referred to China 'scheduling' fentanyl - it was already illegal in China given how rarely any opioid is prescribed after the opium wars, so what did they actually do?
Fent analogs will be scheduled faster by China, to stop labs from just making new analogs.
I.e. nothing much is going to happen.
The issue was raised by the US in the context of trade relations i.e. it was probably tacked on for domestic political capital, to be seen as making progress on the opioid epidemic, because they knew China wouldn't have a problem making an easy hollow promise. -
2018-12-03 at 1:03 PM UTC
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2018-12-03 at 1:05 PM UTCYeah because they change the fundamental part of the drug that makes it in all ways a different class of drugs and it's not very difficult to switch out the precursors with unwatched legal ones.
The only thing you can't do it with with ketamine analogs because they are all made from the same precursor.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufentanil
The thiophene based drugs is a good example, the precursors are cheap and plentiful in China and they are legal, unwatched and nobody has scheduled the thiophene drugs yet and if they do they will just change the functional group and make 'legal' drugs again.
You could just make all analogs and anything psychoactive illegal but then they would probably circumvent that by making everything like vyvanse attached to a lysine so it's actually all prodrugs. -
2018-12-03 at 1:33 PM UTC
Originally posted by Ghost Yeah because they change the fundamental part of the drug that makes it in all ways a different class of drugs and it's not very difficult to switch out the precursors with unwatched legal ones.
The only thing you can't do it with with ketamine analogs because they are all made from the same precursor.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufentanil
The thiophene based drugs is a good example, the precursors are cheap and plentiful in China and they are legal, unwatched and nobody has scheduled the thiophene drugs yet and if they do they will just change the functional group and make 'legal' drugs again.
You could just make all analogs and anything psychoactive illegal but then they would probably circumvent that by making everything like vyvanse attached to a lysine so it's actually all prodrugs.
True, but that's why drug enforcement authorities in many countries keep pushing for faster scheduling, like in this case; everyone knows it's whack-a-mole and there's no good categorically way to ban these substances, so they're content to be able to win at whack-a-mole.
And that's the thing, they can win, if it ever becomes easier to schedule an analogue than to invent it. The only thing holding them off is the justified fear of regulatory overreach. -
2018-12-03 at 6:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING III: The Quest for 911 Truth Does that lawyer shit work in China? Serious question.
"Well goy, this isn't actually fentanyl you see, as you can see from this chart we moved the hydrogen atom two places to the left in this carbon ring here"
No it doesnt. China has a 98% conviction rate or some crazy shit like that. Lawyers arent so big of a thing there, they're more like legal guidance. Also for civil disputes but I don't believe they actually go to court, they're for settling it before it goes to a judge. -
2018-12-03 at 7:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra What even is the 'deal'? The few articles I skimmed only referred to China 'scheduling' fentanyl - it was already illegal in China given how rarely any opioid is prescribed after the opium wars, so what did they actually do?
they let trump say anything he wanted on the subject.
things that are illegal in china arent illegal to be exported outside, like guns for example.
and again. when things turn illegal, the illegals turn pro. -
2018-12-03 at 7:31 PM UTC
Originally posted by GGG No it doesnt. China has a 98% conviction rate or some crazy shit like that. Lawyers arent so big of a thing there, they're more like legal guidance. Also for civil disputes but I don't believe they actually go to court, they're for settling it before it goes to a judge.
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