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2015-10-02 at 7:57 AM UTCI am disgusted at not only how quickly the media turned the Oregon Shooting into a gun control debate but how quickly the fucking liberals on my facebook took to antigun posting without regard to the fact that at least ten human beings were violently murdered and another 20 injured! There are reports the perp asked the victims about their religious affiliation. This is getting ridiculous.
Im not looking to have the classic "OH THERE WAS A SHOOTING LETZ TALK ABOUT GUNS!" debate here. Its not that the perp was killing people in the name of religion or an interjection of the "christians plight". I want some legitimate answers as to why we are not supporting those who survived and standing with them in their loss. Make the victims the heroes. Its a fucking shame that these gun-toting homos committing grievous acts of violence become the center of attention while the people who experienced the incident fade into obscurity with little support or consideration. Its sick and sad and wrong that not only the media of my nation but the people of my nation take this opportunity to point at the situation and say "Well if guns were more controlled we would all be safer" rather than being a fucking human being about it and exuding the appropriate amount of national grievance.
I don't even know what to thing about you America. I don't even know what to say. -
2015-10-02 at 12:20 PM UTCAnother gun free shooting gallery.
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2015-10-02 at 3:03 PM UTCFuck America, it's too far down the road for any chance of redemption as is the rest of the west. This is late empire, roman decadence shit and the only thing that's going to stop it, is it's inevitable collapse. I'll kek out loud as the west burns, even though i'll probably burn with it. Too bad, it's too late.
Can't wait to see the documentary about the UCC Shooting in a couple months though.
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2015-10-03 at 5:21 AM UTCI'm always impressed how the wingnuts come out of the woodwork to do damage control every time there's a mass shooting. Often even faster than anti-gun advocates.
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2015-10-03 at 7:59 AM UTCI am scared and offended and victimized all simultaneously. PLEASE HALP ME.
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2015-10-03 at 1:07 PM UTC
I'm always impressed how the wingnuts come out of the woodwork to do damage control every time there's a mass shooting. Often even faster than anti-gun advocates.
So somebody who wants to exercise the right to defend their life is a "wingnut". But someone who wants to take away that right is just an "anti-gun advocate"?
Spoken like a true left wingnut. -
2015-10-03 at 3:53 PM UTC
So somebody who wants to exercise the right to defend their life is a "wingnut". But someone who wants to take away that right is just an "anti-gun advocate"?
Spoken like a true left wingnut.
No, people whose first reaction to a shooting is to bemoan liberalism in america are wingnuts. -
2015-10-03 at 4:44 PM UTC
No, people whose first reaction to a shooting is to bemoan liberalism in america are wingnuts.
So when the wingnuts use every tragedy as an excuse to curtail rights those who speak out against them become wingnuts also? -
2015-10-03 at 4:52 PM UTCI don't think you know what that word means.
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2015-10-03 at 5:35 PM UTCBill Clinton
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2015-10-05 at 3:58 AM UTCwhat im curious about is why the nigger shooter is being depicted in the media as white...or at the very least, not-a-nigger
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2015-10-05 at 4:14 AM UTC
what im curious about is why the nigger shooter is being depicted in the media as white…or at the very least, not-a-nigger
Why do you think? Niggers shooting things up doesn't fit the narrative. -
2015-10-05 at 5:21 AM UTC
No, people whose first reaction to a shooting is to bemoan liberalism in america are wingnuts.
Do you think I am bemoaning liberalism in america as a bad thing? I mean look at what I am saying. In all honesty what I am talking about is beyond liberalism or conservatism. What I am pointing out is a flaw in attitude where both sides jump to make isolated incidents part of a larger narrative and try and spin the facts of these incidents in their own favor. My problem is that the media pounces on it and uses violent incidents as divisive tools rather than a unity of countrymen.
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2015-10-06 at 2:28 AM UTC
Fuck America, it's too far down the road for any chance of redemption as is the rest of the west. This is late empire, roman decadence shit and the only thing that's going to stop it, is it's inevitable collapse. I'll kek out loud as the west burns, even though i'll probably burn with it. Too bad, it's too late.
Can't wait to see the documentary about the UCC Shooting in a couple months though.
You know what, I hate to say it, but you are sort of right. We are witnessing yet another decline of western civilization, with its inevitable and attendent dark ages soon to follow. Does anyone really think that the waves of third worlders that are inevitably going to outbreed the west will be able to maintain the complex civilization that the whites built and fought for, and was hard won? Nah, whitey is doomed, at least in the West, and it may take another generation or two, but I am sorry to say that there will never be any 'singularity' ala kurzweil, it will just be a huge 'nigerarity'.
The russians will still be around, though, they don't put up with illegal immigration. Probably the fucking australians, too, because there aren't enough aborigines to take over, and niggers can't swim. -
2015-10-06 at 2:43 AM UTCMost niggers can use their lips as flotation devices.
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2015-10-07 at 4:48 AM UTC
Do you think I am bemoaning liberalism in america as a bad thing? I mean look at what I am saying. In all honesty what I am talking about is beyond liberalism or conservatism. What I am pointing out is a flaw in attitude where both sides jump to make isolated incidents part of a larger narrative and try and spin the facts of these incidents in their own favor. My problem is that the media pounces on it and uses violent incidents as divisive tools rather than a unity of countrymen.
You seem quick to dismiss these shootings as isolated incidents considering there have consistently been a handful every year. If you want to argue that the typical issues that get brought up around these shootings (i.e. america's loose gun control and poor availability of mental health care) aren't relevant then by all means, try, but realize you can't just make an outraged post about the liberal media and expect to change anyone's mind. Just realize that if that's your stance then you seem to owe us an account of why these policy points aren't relevant to mass shootings. -
2015-10-07 at 6:03 AM UTCIts a fact that these shootings ARE isolated incidents. I don't think these guys attended a meeting before columbine and thought "Okay, evey year or so one of us is gonna go batshit crazy and shoot up a school. Sound like a plan?". No it happens because individuals of weak mental constitution exist in society. And a fraction of a decimal of those individuals are so messed up that they decide it jolly right to go shoot up their peers. Now they can say banning assault weapons makes the world a safer place but that simply is not true, more murders are committed by handgun than any other type of firearm.
Now I know the following is a heartless point that will offend your meager liberal sensibilities but it is true. These things happen. There will always be people of weak mental constitution. There will always be a fraction of a decimal that end up going on an insane rampage regardless of availability of arms or not. Look at China's meat cleaver bus mass murders. Or kids who bring knives to school in countries where guns are not readily available. These are essentially the same phenomenon with a different weapon. And they happen at a similar rate as it does in America.
The only way for these things to never happen again is to have a mental health system that can screen out these individuals which is damn near impossible unless you live in an insane statist dystopia that has rigorous and invasive mental health screens daily. Now I am not saying that mental health care is pointless. I am saying that the system needed to end things like this from happening is not possible. It would definitly be possible to improve our mental health care and get these individuals the help they need without stigmatizing them for wanting to go on a murderous rampage but that would require they tell someone about it and most of the individuals who carry out these attacks are extremely socially isolated individals.
On the point of "Americas loos gun control" all I should have to say is SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
The problem is that we are centering on these things as if they are issues we can fix. As if they are issues we can rid society of. But violence is an integral part of the human condition. And society is human meaning that violence is an integral condition of society. There are individuals who will be violent shitheads and do things like this. So why give them the time of day? Why publicize them and give them fame? Why not say "Sure, you may make this terrible horrible decision, but your name will never be known, your victims will be honored and remembered and you only serve as an agent to destruction by making the commitment" Why not shift the focus off these incidents which cannot reasonably be controlled and dedicate the time and energy we usually focus on them to a constructive and realistic end.
There will never be a perfect society. There will always be violent degenerates. No matter how many social programs you have, no matter how strict your gun or blade or chemical regulations, no matter how many times you say "Tragedy like this shouldnt happen", no matter how extensive and invasive your mental heath screenings are, it wont change the fact that society is packed full of violent degenerates and always will be. -
2015-10-07 at 6:22 AM UTC
Its a fact that these shootings ARE isolated incidents. I don't think these guys attended a meeting before columbine and thought "Okay, evey year or so one of us is gonna go batshit crazy and shoot up a school. Sound like a plan?". No it happens because individuals of weak mental constitution exist in society. And a fraction of a decimal of those individuals are so messed up that they decide it jolly right to go shoot up their peers.
No one has suggested it's anything different than that. The fact remains that advocates of gun control and greater mental healthcare availability argue that these crimes, or at least the severity to which they are committed, are enabled by bad policy. If you accept the liberal premise that lower rates of gun ownership leads to lower rates of crime then these crimes are obviously related in that they are enabled/worsened by a common policy point. Obviously you don't accept that premise, BUT that's still the point you need to attack if you want to knock down the liberal argument here which you've so far sidestepped.Now they can say banning assault weapons makes the world a safer place but that simply is not true, more murders are committed by handgun than any other type of firearm.
What simply isn't true is the idea that something needs to be the leading cause of murder for it's ban to reduce the rate of murder. It is, in fact, obviously not the case. Death by snake bite is pretty rare on the whole but that doesn't change the fact that if there were no more snakes there would be no more deaths from snake bites. You'll have to come up with a better argument than "X isn't literally the worst thing ever" to justify X.Now I know the following is a heartless point that will offend your meager liberal sensibilities but it is true. These things happen. There will always be people of weak mental constitution. There will always be a fraction of a decimal that end up going on an insane rampage regardless of availability of arms or not. Look at China's meat cleaver bus mass murders. Or kids who bring knives to school in countries where guns are not readily available. These are essentially the same phenomenon with a different weapon. And they happen at a similar rate as it does in America.
If you want that point to work you'll both have to demonstrate that non-gun mass killings happen with the same relative frequency in other countries as gun related mass killings in the US AND that gunless mass killings have comparable death tools. I'm skeptical on both points.
The only way for these things to never happen again is to have a mental health system that can screen out these individuals which is damn near impossible unless you live in an insane statist dystopia that has rigorous and invasive mental health screens daily. Now I am not saying that mental health care is pointless. I am saying that the system needed to end things like this from happening is not possible. It would definitly be possible to improve our mental health care and get these individuals the help they need without stigmatizing them for wanting to go on a murderous rampage but that would require they tell someone about it and most of the individuals who carry out these attacks are extremely socially isolated individals.On the point of "Americas loos gun control" all I should have to say is SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
No, you should have to say more than that because most of us have realized that the US constitution is not some artifact of divine wisdom. The constitution has been altered before and we can change it again if we happen to find the edicts of niggers who lived 200 years ago don't suit the needs of a people living in the 21st century.The problem is that we are centering on these things as if they are issues we can fix. As if they are issues we can rid society of. But violence is an integral part of the human condition. And society is human meaning that violence is an integral condition of society. There are individuals who will be violent shitheads and do things like this. So why give them the time of day? Why publicize them and give them fame? Why not say "Sure, you may make this terrible horrible decision, but your name will never be known, your victims will be honored and remembered and you only serve as an agent to destruction by making the commitment" Why not shift the focus off these incidents which cannot reasonably be controlled and dedicate the time and energy we usually focus on them to a constructive and realistic end.
I assume you're a capitalist, right? Truly you'd be hard pressed to find a more perfect apparatus of capitalism than the news media. People will watch/read/listen to these stories and that's why the media produces them. So that's why we focus on these incidents. Do you have a problem with that? Do you perhaps think you know better than the general public what should be on TV, in the news, on our air waves? If so you might be a liberal.There will never be a perfect society. There will always be violent degenerates. No matter how many social programs you have, no matter how strict your gun or blade or chemical regulations, no matter how many times you say "Tragedy like this shouldnt happen", no matter how extensive and invasive your mental heath screenings are, it wont change the fact that society is packed full of violent degenerates and always will be.
Sure, but you could say the same thing about literally any policy aimed at upholding law and order. A police force will never be 100% effective but that doesn't mean we should totally give up on trying to make the streets safe or investigating crimes. "Why try to stop bank robberies, they're inevitable! Just open the vault doors and let anyone grab what they want!" -
2015-10-07 at 1:40 PM UTCIf they take your guns they can and will take anything else they want and you won't be able to do diddly squat about it.
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2015-10-07 at 9:07 PM UTC
Obviously you don't accept that premise, BUT that's still the point you need to attack if you want to knock down the liberal argument here which you've so far sidestepped.
Lolwut.
Lan:"My argument is based on assumption X"
Sophie:"Assumption X is wrong."
Lan:"that's still the point you need to attack if you want to knock down the liberal argument!!!"
Does not compute.
