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why was spectral doxxed?
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2016-10-19 at 6:20 PM UTC
Bullshit. Just because you paid $0.99 for a domain and some webspace does not translate to you owning the community on it.
That would depend on how you define 'community' if you mean the people, of course you do not own the people. But you do own the platform upon which the people chose to communicate ergo, you can do whatever you desire with and within that platform. If the people using that platform don't agree, they can leave, it is a voluntary arrangement between the site owner and user and either of them is entitled to stop engaging with the other through any means, save for destructive means from the side of the user. Because the site owner can destroy his own property should he desire so, the site user cannot because the property rights are in the hands of the site owner. If your site runs on add revenue however, it becomes in the interest of the site owner and user to play by a certain set of rules designed to provide the best experience for everyone involved. This does not mean there is any sort of binding contract between the end user and site owner however, because the user retains his right of voluntary association and the site owner retains his property rights.For example, if Lanny banned me right now, I would only come back within minutes, one way or the other. So I'm not really banned, and I can't be banned.
Irrelevant to the argument as it stands from a property rights/freedom of association perspective.And you call that owning a userbase?
I do not and never have.You can't own something you can't control.
Sure you can, i can own a piece of land which has a volcano on it, i cannot control the volcano yet i retain ownership of it.Zok found that out the hard way, didn't he.
Found out what exactly? Your argument is non-existent.So did several others. And now you still want to debate that, at this late date, and after all we've been through together?
There is no debate, because even if we assume you had anything to do with the downfall of Zoklet. You have no moral high ground, for reasons stated above. -
2016-10-19 at 6:25 PM UTCSpectral was "doxxed" by posting or PMing links to a geocities looking website for his Matt mays cover band. I think it was PMing mods or something and the turncoat PI rats herped derped and slopperscoffed all over it ducking and diving right off the turnip truck
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2016-10-19 at 11:46 PM UTCSunny ways my friends, sunny ways,.
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2016-10-20 at 8:40 PM UTC
…you can do whatever you desire with and within that platform…
Not true, and that's what it really was all about in the end; zok and few other misguided people found that out the hard way. As I said before, how can you own something you can't control? You can't "do what you want". The only real say, the only real control, an Admin has over the webspace is shutting the site down. That's it. Already proven beyond all doubt. Lesson learned. Now there can be no debate about it. -
2016-10-20 at 8:43 PM UTC
Not true, and that's what it really was all about in the end; zok and few other misguided people found that out the hard way. As I said before, how can you own something you can't control? You can't "do what you want". The only real say, the only real control, an Admin has over the webspace is shutting the site down. That's it. Already proven beyond all doubt. Lesson learned. Now there can be no debate about it.
Cherry picking my post and saying: NOT TRUE! Is not an argument. -
2016-10-21 at 1:17 AM UTCJust look at Dfg, as a prime example. He thought that, just because he rented a bit of webspace, and put a cheap server on it, that he was then totally within his rights to disrespect, abuse and generally shit on the community and their opinions. Until he got ddos'd to shit, that is, and lost his entire userbase. Oh sure, he's still limping along, but it's basically just him. Just as good as having to shut it down, to me. And where is old tDR now? Nowhere. And yet tDR was one of the admins. So, no. You can't "do what you want". Not do what you want and get away with it, anyways. That has now been proven, in several cases, would you not admit?
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2016-10-21 at 1:36 AM UTC
Just look at Dfg, as a prime example. He thought that, just because he rented a bit if webspace, and put a cheap server on it, that he was then totally within his rights to disrespect, abuse and generally shit on the community and their opinions. Until he got ddos'd to shit, that is, and lost his entire userbase. Oh sure, he's still limping along, but it's basically just him. Just as good as having to shut it down, to me. And where is old tDR now? Nowhere. And yet tDR was one of the admins. So, no. You can't "do what you want". Not do what you want and get away with it anyways. That has now been proven, in several cases, would you not admit?
It's not about reactionary idiots, it's about a principle of property rights and voluntary association. But i wouldn't expect you to understand something like principles. -
2016-10-21 at 2:03 AM UTC
…a principle of property rights…
Oh, I understand the concept perfectly, but it's a myth. There are no property rights on the net. Just because a handful of fools have unilaterally declared they own the Internet does not make it so. The Internet is a free and open platform for all ideas, suggestions and expressions, and no person can either own or control that, no matter how hard they try. That has been proved beyond all doubt in this case.
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2016-10-21 at 2:18 AM UTC
Oh, I understand the concept perfectly, but it's a myth. There are no property rights on the net. Just because a handful of fools have unilaterally declared they own the Internet does not make it so. The Internet is a free and open platform for all ideas, suggestions and expressions, and no person can either own or control that, no matter how hard they try. That has been proved beyond all doubt in this case.
Doth thy server not reside within thine bosom? Hath thou purchased at great value, nought but a lie? Is it so, that thine thoughts as they are relayed hither, reside within the realm of the metaphysical?
In short no. The internet has a physical basis, one of it's components is for instance a server, i can go to the store right now, buy a server and host a forum. I could even buy a copy of vBulletin software so that i own the very software that is run on my server, hey in fact i could with some effort, even MAKE my own software. Do i not own what i make? Or purchase? I absolutely do. To argue otherwise would make you a communist, quite literally.
Now i propose to you this agreement. I have invested my money and time into infrastructure and systems that provide for communication. And you good sir, are allowed to use it free of charge isn't that something? All i ask is that you follow this simple set of rules(X, Y, Whatever it's going to be). Now, i will also have you know that you are not obligated to come to my communications platform, good heavens, i would not dare to presume to have such authority over a sovereign individual, but by using my service we agree you are going to voluntarily follow my rules. Agreed?
Now, if you then come to my forum, ok, i am going to assume you agreed right, and i as owner hold the right to terminate your access to my property at any given point in time as do you as visitor hold the right to leave my property at any given point in time.
Do i need to spell it out for you more? Numbnuts. -
2016-10-21 at 12:46 PM UTCYour argument is a logical fallacy. Nobody on the Internet has to accept or follow any rules at all. And if you decide to launch a server you purchased and own, that is your prerogative, but you are serving in on a public platform. It would be like opening a lemonade stand on Fifth Avenue, and then declaring you own and control Fifth Avenue just because you have a lemonade stand on it. It doesn't work that way. If you setup on a public platform, then you are sharing your server with the public, and are therefore subject and servant to public control. As I said before, just because you declare the Internet space as yours to own and control does not make it so.
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2016-10-21 at 3:40 PM UTCYou know I don't have a problem with you like most people here, but in this case, you're wrong.
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2016-10-21 at 5:54 PM UTC
Thanks for de-railing the thread with a non-sequitur, asshole! The fact that you brought that up in this thread is pretty weak sauce. (especially considering I have sex with women more than all of you combined) Step up your game chicken dick. Just when I was beginning to think you were an alright guy.
And why should I tell you guys about what I did as a younger lad when I already have lol. Seems fairly redundant.
Niggasinspace is getting kind of stale because of the lack of members thus the lack of original material. I now post at f169bbs.com with iron john. Some of you should go to that site.
That's malice can do. Bring up shit from the past, that that someone already admitted to. -
2016-10-21 at 7:40 PM UTC
Your argument is a logical fallacy. Nobody on the Internet has to accept or follow any rules at all. And if you decide to launch a server you purchased and own, that is your prerogative, but you are serving in on a public platform. It would be like opening a lemonade stand on Fifth Avenue, and then declaring you own and control Fifth Avenue just because you have a lemonade stand on it. It doesn't work that way. If you setup on a public platform, then you are sharing your server with the public, and are therefore subject and servant to public control. As I said before, just because you declare the Internet space as yours to own and control does not make it so.
I'd reckon to say it's more like opening a lemonade stand on Fifth Avenue, and then declaring you own and control the lemonade stand on Fifth Avenue. Nothing more. Quoth the raven, nevermore. -
2016-10-21 at 9:53 PM UTC
I'd reckon to say it's more like opening a lemonade stand on Fifth Avenue, and then declaring you own and control the lemonade stand on Fifth Avenue. Nothing more. Quoth the raven, nevermore.
Exactly. That's all you own is the stand. But just imagine if that same lemonade stand owner started selling only to whites, or not to jedis, or only to non-gays, as if he was the sole decider of who would get service and who wouldn't. He sure wouldn't last long, now would he? And why is that? Zok setup his stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue, then tried to unilaterally decide who was going to get service and who was not. If you were an asskisser, if you despised critical criticism, if you didn't believe in free speech, if you liked banning people who had broken no rules, then you were fine to receive service, otherwise you were just shit out of luck. Would you like to live in a public city where sellers could gleefully cherry pick their customers according to their own warped and backwards philosophies? Deny you service just because you have blue eyes instead of brown? Fuck that. If you're going to setup your tent in a public place, you better get ready to treat everyone fairly and justly, or people like me start buzzing around looking for an equalizing. It's just common sense, to any sensible person. -
2016-10-21 at 10:20 PM UTCI'd just go to the next lemonade stand rather than trying to get that lemonade stand owner to try to sell to me.
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2016-10-21 at 10:48 PM UTC
Exactly. That's all you own is the stand. But just imagine if that same lemonade stand owner started selling only to whites, or not to jedis, or only to non-gays, as if he was the sole decider of who would get service and who wouldn't.
This is his right. Although the guy across the street that sells to everyone would out compete him.He sure wouldn't last long, now would he?
That never was my argument and you know it.And why is that? Zok setup his stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue, then tried to unilaterally decide who was going to get service and who was not. If you were an asskisser, if you despised critical criticism, if you didn't believe in free speech, if you liked banning people who had broken no rules, then you were fine to receive service, otherwise you were just shit out of luck. Would you like to live in a public city where sellers could gleefully cherry pick their customers according to their own warped and backwards philosophies? Deny you service just because you have blue eyes instead of brown?
Yes and apparently there was market demand for this because right up until the end we had a bunch of active users.Fuck that. If you're going to setup your tent in a public place, you better get ready to treat everyone fairly and justly, or people like me start buzzing around looking for an equalizing. It's just common sense, to any sensible person.
You can dislike it all you want that doesn't invalidate the principles. -
2016-10-21 at 11:13 PM UTC
Your argument is a logical fallacy.
Yo, bitch, you can't make a coherent reply to a post even after repeat attempts. Shut the fuck up and die in a ditch you disgusting pile of bloody vaginal mucal discharge -
2016-10-22 at 1:01 AM UTCSpectral is so old and senile...when MS-DOS was first promoted he thought it was a dating ad.
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2016-10-22 at 11:18 AM UTC
I'd just go to the next lemonade stand rather than trying to get that lemonade stand owner to try to sell to me.
Problem there is, you let one fuckwad through, and then you've got an army of them to deal with. -
2016-10-22 at 11:19 AM UTC
Yo, bitch, you can't make a coherent reply to a post even after repeat attempts. Shut the fuck up and die in a ditch you disgusting pile of bloody vaginal mucal discharge
Who do you think you are? The admin or something?
