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2018-07-15 at 11:13 PM UTC
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2018-07-17 at 9:56 AM UTCHoly shit, check out the apoplectic 'free press' almost uniformly calling Trump a traitor for trying to rebuild a diplomatic relationship with RussiaThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-07-17 at 10:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Holy shit, check out the apoplectic 'free press' almost uniformly calling Trump a traitor for trying to rebuild a diplomatic relationship with Russia
Yeah i noticed. It was crazy. It's obvious the media is against the normalization of relations with Russia. Funny they should call Trump a traitor, while they push for war. -
2018-07-17 at 10:11 AM UTCAnd gott damn right to fucking Putin.
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2018-07-17 at 10:29 AM UTC
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2018-07-17 at 11:32 AM UTC
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2018-07-17 at 11:38 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Holy shit, check out the apoplectic 'free press' almost uniformly calling Trump a traitor for trying to rebuild a diplomatic relationship with Russia
Most americans DO NOT want a diplomatic relationship with Russia. Are we supposed to be best friends with a country that tries to control our electoral outcome? It’s a form of terrorism that our idiot n chief won’t admit. God forbid trump trust our intelligence community, he’ll be admitting he possibly would have lost the election. There’s no proof that it affected our election.............🙄 -
2018-07-17 at 11:46 AM UTCAnd I’m not some leftist complainer about who won or lost the election. The 2016 elections are over, trump is in, people need to get over it. It’s time to figure a way to deal with trump and save America’s credibility. Now our own government needs to take control of idiot trump. This is sad😞
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2018-07-17 at 11:47 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Are we supposed to be best friends with a country that tries to control our electoral outcome?
last I counted, the US has interfered with 80+ separate countries' political systems in the last 50 years or so - ranging from rigged elections, failed states, assassinations, supporting terrorism, genocide... Even while this was supposedly happening they were collapsing Ukraine's government, turning Libya into a failed state and attempting to do the same to Syria (the only reason they failed was the combined effort of Russia and Iran). They're hardly in a position to be crying about 'foreign interference'.
Even if it were true, what evidence do you have that any such thing took place? Try to find some evidence that the Russian government had anything to do with the US election; I have and I've come up with nothing reliable. -
2018-07-17 at 11:52 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra last I counted, the US has interfered with 80+ separate countries' political systems in the last 50 years or so - ranging from rigged elections, failed states, assassinations, supporting terrorism, genocide… Even while this was supposedly happening they were collapsing Ukraine's government, turning Libya into a failed state and attempting to do the same to Syria (the only reason they failed was the combined effort of Russia and Iran). They're hardly in a position to be crying about 'foreign interference'.
Even if it were true, what evidence do you have that any such thing took place? Try to find some evidence that the Russian government had anything to do with the US election; I have and I've come up with nothing reliable.
Motherfucking this. The "Russians hacked the election" meme should die, now. -
2018-07-17 at 11:54 AM UTCI’m pretty sure these newest indictments will lay it out for us as to the hows and whys. I have not read them.
Saying that other countries, as well as ourselves, have done this before, does not minimize what is going on now. If other countries feel we’ve meddled in their elections, then bring charges against us.
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2018-07-17 at 12:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist I’m pretty sure these newest indictments will lay it out for us as to the hows and whys. I have not read them.
Saying that other countries, as well as ourselves, have done this before, does not minimize what is going on now. If other countries feel we’ve meddled in their elections, then bring charges against us.
Just because it’s been done before does not make it right.
If you honestly believe the US of A gives a single flying fuck about international law you'd be mistaken. -
2018-07-17 at 12:06 PM UTC
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2018-07-17 at 12:08 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist I’m pretty sure these newest indictments will lay it out for us as to the hows and whys. I have not read them.
Saying that other countries, as well as ourselves, have done this before, does not minimize what is going on now. If other countries feel we’ve meddled in their elections, then bring charges against us.
Just because it’s been done before does not make it right.
It's not just that it's happened before, it's ongoing and will be ongoing as long as the current order has the capability to bend other countries to their will. If you look into the basis for foreign policy for most of the powerful western countries (see US, UK, France, Germany to a lesser extent) they're specifically designed to get around the concept of national sovereignty, to give them the power to do whatever they want to cultures and governments that don't fit their ideals and policies through broad ideas like 'responsibility to protect' and 'sovereignty of people', which, at the risk of summoning joerell, are ideas that have been created, pushed and implemented by globalist NGOs and think-tanks. The FUKUS (lol) and co. don't report to international legal bodies, they ARE the international legal bodies and they're absolutely not impartial.
That's going a big off-topic, so I guess I can summarise as follows:
"just tell the gorilla to stop bullying you"
- how to get folded into a banana costume and fucked.
I'm looking over those documents now, pain in the ass to get good information without relying on someone else's analysis but he's only accused several members of the Russian GRU of crimes. This literally means nothing because they will never set foot in a US court so whatever evidence is claimed (I haven't gone through it all yet) will never be tested or challenged in court.
If this were a serious indictment, it'd be against the people supposedly working for the Russians because they aren't able to avoid US court - on the flipside though, he would need actual, significant evidence to prosecute or they could expose the investigation as the sham it appears to be. -
2018-07-17 at 12:11 PM UTC
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2018-07-17 at 12:12 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-07-17 at 12:18 PM UTCAldra,
You know I am in awe of your intellect on global politics. I’d love to pick your brain for hours.
But you and I will have to agree to disagree. This investigation is not a sham.
You have to remember you are an outsider looking in. The general feel in this country, right now, is disgust for our POTUS kissing Putin’s ass, and this is bipartisan.
Putin’s peeps are even behind trying to cause racial divides in our country. They’d love to see us divided. If you’re reading the indictments Aldra, you will see that they were involved in the propaganda behind Orlando Castiles(sp?) death.
It’s sad that no one knows what to believe anymore. What outlets are credible? I have yet to find an unbiased outlet.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-07-17 at 12:20 PM UTC
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2018-07-17 at 12:23 PM UTCfuck gay ass putin in his queermo ass
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2018-07-17 at 12:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist But you and I will have to agree to disagree. This investigation is not a sham.
I haven't read a lot about it in the past to be honest, I'm just extremely wary of all this talk because it appears so well co-ordinated among the media and I haven't seen any reliable evidence to form a basis for it. The more reasonable explanation to me is that this 'Russian Collusion' story was originally floated by the Democrats to explain their surprise loss to an underdog, and at the behest of the MIC and 'war council' the media have been pushing it along for ratings.
Apparently they've linked Guccifer and the other guy who hacked Hillary's personal servers to GRU, I'm interested to see what evidence they have but I'm not confident anything conclusive has been released.
Originally posted by Technologist If people want us to be held responsible then do something about it, if they don’t, there is no need to complain!
it's happening but slowly
