We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat

1. 2018-07-12 at 8:42 PM UTC

   #1741
   The Self Taught Man Black Hole
   Look back through the last 87 pages for the answer you African American, mentally handicapped homosexual.
2. 2018-07-12 at 8:44 PM UTC

   #1742
   

   benny vader YELLOW GHOST

   Originally posted by ohfralala Look back through the last 87 pages for the answer you African American, mentally handicapped homosexual.

   
   hes nigger arabica.
3. 2018-07-12 at 8:47 PM UTC

   #1743
   

   Zanick motherfucker [my p.a. supernal goa]

   Originally posted by Captain What makes something someone's moral responsibility?

   
   What determines a person's moral responsibilities? That's a very philosophical question, and there are a lot of ethical theories that answer this differently, but I guess we can call this one deontology for our purposes. The moral responsibility to stop eating meat, then, is derived from adherence to a duty or rule which prescriptively says, 'do no harm'.
4. 2018-07-12 at 8:49 PM UTC

   #1744
   The Self Taught Man Black Hole

   Originally posted by Zanick What determines a person's moral responsibilities? That's a very philosophical question, and there are a lot of ethical theories that answer this differently, but I guess we can call this one deontology for our purposes. The moral responsibility to stop eating meat, then, is derived from adherence to a duty or rule which prescriptively says, 'do no harm'.

   
   What constitutes harm?
5. 2018-07-12 at 8:58 PM UTC

   #1745
   

   Zanick motherfucker [my p.a. supernal goa]

   Originally posted by Captain What constitutes harm?

   
   Engineering species that suffer and die in captivity waiting for a grueling slaughter is a good place to start. But, more generally, killing an animal or doing something which causes it suffering constitutes harm.
6. 2018-07-13 at 12:47 AM UTC

   #1746
   The Self Taught Man Black Hole

   Originally posted by Zanick killing an animal or doing something which causes it suffering constitutes harm.

   
   And why is this a moral negative?
7. 2018-07-13 at 12:49 AM UTC

   #1747
   The Self Taught Man Black Hole
   To be clear, I'm asking you to both justify/explain your maxim, as well as your specific application of it to this discussion.
   
   You can't just circularly refer because "because this maxim"
8. 2018-07-13 at 3:29 AM UTC

   #1748
   

   mmQ Lisa Turtle

   Originally posted by Captain And why is this a moral negative?

   
   Because you wouldn't want it done to you. Isn't that part of your moral system anyway?
9. 2018-07-13 at 5:04 AM UTC

   #1749
   

   Speedy Parker Black Hole [my absentmindedly lachrymatory gazania]

   Originally posted by Zanick It is difficult to surmount a lot of the barriers to a cruelty-free life, but I'm not rejecting leather because it's easier. Honestly, I have little patience for people who 'would be vegetarian' if it weren't harder. That's the whole point of doing the right thing, you get tested for it.

   
   My teeth indicate what is right
10. 2018-07-13 at 5:58 AM UTC

    #1750
    

    benny vader YELLOW GHOST

    Originally posted by Speedy Parker My teeth indicate what is right

    
    your teeth indicate that their good for scrapping smegmas off cocks.
11. 2018-07-13 at 8:29 AM UTC

    #1751
    The Self Taught Man Black Hole

    Originally posted by mmQ Because you wouldn't want it done to you. Isn't that part of your moral system anyway?

    
    That would make sense if animals had the ability to do the same for me, which they do not appear to.
12. 2018-07-13 at 7:25 PM UTC

    #1752
    The Self Taught Man Black Hole

    Originally posted by Zanick killing an animal or doing something which causes it suffering constitutes harm.

    
    Let's put your moral stance together:
    
    You shouldn't kill an animal or do something which causes it suffering / because / you should do no [kill an animal or do something which causes it suffering.]
    
    You have to give me a justification for your maximum, and your specific application of it. You can't just make a circular argument.
13. 2018-07-13 at 7:36 PM UTC

    #1753
    The Self Taught Man Black Hole
    Some people are bad, are some animals bad?
    
    Some people do bad things to animals, would some animals do bad things to people if they had higher cognition?
    
    Some people have sex with animals, do some animals get to sex with people?
    
    Moralize me, Cap'n!
14. 2018-07-13 at 8:15 PM UTC

    #1754
    The Self Taught Man Black Hole

    Originally posted by DietPiano Some people are bad

    
    I disagree. You need to justify this claim.
    
    

    are some animals bad?

    
    No.
    
    

    Some people do bad things to animals, would some animals do bad things to people if they had higher cognition?

    
    I mean, wtf is "higher cognition"? What if they had such high cognition that they were highly logical and eschnine bought exactly into my moral system and adhered to it perfectly as a core drive?
    
    So no, not necessarily.
    
    

    Some people have sex with animals, do some animals get to sex with people?

    
    Wat
    
    

    Moralize me, Cap'n!

    
    No
15. 2018-07-13 at 8:37 PM UTC

    #1755
    

    benny vader YELLOW GHOST

    Originally posted by DietPiano Moralize me, Cap'n!

    
    spread those legs and splay those cheeks and slather butter onto that crack.
    
    morality is coming in.
16. 2018-09-15 at 2:43 AM UTC

    #1756
    Nil African Astronaut [the overexcited four-footed chanar]

    Originally posted by The Self Taught Man That would make sense if animals had the ability to do the same for me, which they do not appear to.

    
    is morality about what others can do for you or how you treat them regardless of them being able to requite?
    
    wait cap[?] is ded
17. 2018-09-15 at 6:15 AM UTC

    #1757
    

    Lanny Bird of Courage
    Aww yiss, meat thread rises again.
18. 2018-09-15 at 8:24 AM UTC

    #1758
    

    mmQ Lisa Turtle
    Meat was just in TC good man, broken cam. Also kookie was there, from totse I guess. Maybe someone here knows the name. Whatever.
19. 2018-09-15 at 8:25 AM UTC

    #1759
    

    mmQ Lisa Turtle
    Also good vlumpkin.
20. 2018-09-15 at 12:12 PM UTC

    #1760
    

    Speedy Parker Black Hole [my absentmindedly lachrymatory gazania]
    Fuck fake Zanik and this thread