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We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat

  1. Originally posted by Kinks See, a basic Google search knows best

    Like his namesame, Will Taggart has begun to embrace transhumanism.
  2. Kinks Actually pretty straight [bitch the twenty-second stewpan]
    They should just rename google as Spectral
  3. -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
    People think something has to move before it's "alive" and "sentient", and yet a plant moves, just more slowly.
  4. Originally posted by -SpectraL People think something has to move before it's "alive" and "sentient", and yet a plant moves, just more slowly.

    Your example literally undermines your "point"
  5. Originally posted by -SpectraL People think something has to move before it's "alive" and "sentient", and yet a plant moves, just more slowly.

    I'll make damn sure you're alive when I turn you into a vegetable, you stupid mother fucker.
  6. benny vader YELLOW GHOST
    Originally posted by -SpectraL Even though they are sensitive, bugs do not have a central nervous system, therefore they do not feel pain.

    western scientific superstition.

    scientists are going to admit that their wrong about this believe sometime in the future and it will come to past cos i said so.
  7. aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    they obviously respond to structural damage so who's to say that that sensation isn't analogous to pain that manimals feel
  8. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by benny vader western scientific superstition.

    It's not "scientific superstition" because no entomologist has ever suggested insects don't have nervous systems. All insects have brains and a central nervous system.

    Wether or not that nervous system is complex enough to produce sensation that could rightly be called pain isn't clear.
  9. benny vader YELLOW GHOST
    Originally posted by Lanny It's not "scientific superstition" because no entomologist has ever suggested insects don't have nervous systems.

    i didnt know that.

    i now know not to trust spectral and everything he said.
  10. -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
    "Insects lack the neurological structures that translate a negative stimulus into an emotional experience. We have pain receptors (nocireceptors) that send signals through our spinal cord and to our brain. Within the brain, the thalamus directs these pain signals to different areas for interpretation. The cortex catalogs the source of the pain and compares it to pain we've experienced before. The limbic system controls our emotional response to pain, making us cry or react in anger. Insects don't have these structures, suggesting they don't process physical stimuli emotionally."
  11. Originally posted by -SpectraL "Insects lack the neurological structures that translate a negative stimulus into an emotional experience. We have pain receptors (nocireceptors) that send signals through our spinal cord and to our brain. Within the brain, the thalamus directs these pain signals to different areas for interpretation. The cortex catalogs the source of the pain and compares it to pain we've experienced before. The limbic system controls our emotional response to pain, making us cry or react in anger. Insects don't have these structures, suggesting they don't process physical stimuli emotionally."

    "Suggests" is a pretty important word here.
  12. Kinks Actually pretty straight [bitch the twenty-second stewpan]
    Plants react to physical harm as well
  13. RestStop Space Nigga
    Originally posted by Captain "Suggests" is a pretty important word here.

    Everytime I've tried to catch an insect on fire it's tried to run away.
  14. Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
    Originally posted by Kinks Plants react to physical harm as well

    Plants are intelligent:

    Originally posted by Obbe The word intelligence derives from the Latin intelegere; to choose between. In situations of choice if the decision made after assessment is beneficial, it is considered to be an intelligent decision. Legg and Hutter (2007) collected some 70 different definitions of intelligence and summarized them as follows. Intelligence: (i) Is a property that an individual has as it interacts with its environment or environments. (ii) Is related to the agents ability to succeed or profit with respect to some goal or objective. (iii) Depends on how able the agent is to adapt to different objectives or environments.

    In the same numerical order. (i) Wild plants interact with and respond to their environment via competitive and other biotic and abiotic signals. (ii) The goal or objective is fitness with seed number as a fitness proxy. Those most successful, and thus most fit, provide more offspring. (iii) Fitness depends on the skill with which individuals best adapt to their environment throughout their life cycle (McNamara and Houston, 1996). Those individual plants that can master and adapt to the problems of competition, master other biotic and abiotic stresses with greater plasticity, lower cost, higher probability, or more rapidly, are fitter and on this basis are more intelligent. Finally intelligence is a capacity for problem solving, (the psychologists choice) and profiting from experience another (Jennings, 1923; Gardner, 1983; Sternberg and Detterman, 1986; Sternberg, 1986). All effectively say the same thing.


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4845027/

    But we still need to eat.
  15. Originally posted by Obbe But we still need to eat.

  16. Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by -SpectraL "Insects lack the neurological structures that translate a negative stimulus into an emotional experience. We have pain receptors (nocireceptors) that send signals through our spinal cord and to our brain. Within the brain, the thalamus directs these pain signals to different areas for interpretation. The cortex catalogs the source of the pain and compares it to pain we've experienced before. The limbic system controls our emotional response to pain, making us cry or react in anger. Insects don't have these structures, suggesting they don't process physical stimuli emotionally."

    Shifting goalposts. First you claim insects have no central nervous system, now you're changing the story trying to talk about "neurological structures". I mean the latter is a fair argument to make, but it's one you've only backpedaled to after being called on your bullshit.
  17. -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
    Originally posted by Lanny Shifting goalposts. First you claim insects have no central nervous system, now you're changing the story trying to talk about "neurological structures". I mean the latter is a fair argument to make, but it's one you've only backpedaled to after being called on your bullshit.

    It's not backpedaling. I start with a basic premise, and if that premise is challenged, then I build on the premise. There's nothing wrong with that. Bugs do not have a central nervous system as we know it.
  18. Kinks Actually pretty straight [bitch the twenty-second stewpan]
    I’ll outsurvive everyone here if we have to resort to starving after this thread
  19. benny vader YELLOW GHOST
    Originally posted by -SpectraL "Insects lack the neurological structures that translate a negative stimulus into an emotional experience. We have pain receptors (nocireceptors) that send signals through our spinal cord and to our brain.

    ''scientists'' cant even locate the pain receptors in our brain, they can not be trusted to be able to find in even smaller creatures such as insects.

    and yeass, our brain can actually feel pain, which is why homosapiens of every culture around the world, of superior or inferior racial stock, of ubermenschen and untermenschen, of every color have a word for head-ache.

    brain pain is real and we actually do have hitherto undiscovered pain receptors in our brain to recep the shit out of it.
  20. -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
    Originally posted by benny vader brain pain is real and we actually do have hitherto undiscovered pain receptors in our brain to recep the shit out of it.

    Inversely, you also have a brain in your stomach. Your "little brain", which consists of a network of neurons that line your stomach and your gut.
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