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2018-05-05 at 2:43 AM UTCAlso all the stories from the first age are pretty crazy, and awesome.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-05-05 at 2:45 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie The story of Beren and Lúthien. The observant reader will have noticed the similarities between their story and the story of Arwen and Aragorn. And the astute observer will have noticed that in the LotR movies after Aragorn has sung Elendil's Oath the music will well up a bit then die down. Arwen comes into view at that point and a song is sung in the background. And the words are: "Tinuviel Elvanui Elleth alfirin edhelhael O hon ring finnil fuinui A renc gelebrin thiliol" Which is Sindarin, Tinuviel being a name the elves use for Lúthien. With the rest of the lyrics saying: (Tinuviel) The elven-fair, immortal maiden elven-wise, about him cast her shadow hair, and her arms as silver.
Which is a nod to the silmarillion and the story i mentioned.
Anyway, i sometimes lurk NetSec, Python, and Unresolved Mysteries.
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2018-05-05 at 2:59 AM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick Goddamn, there are several of us here!
Real knows real. I can literally sing Elendil's Oath from memory, and if that makes me an uber nerd 9001 then so be it. Also, one of the things that i have always remembered from The Silmarilion is after the song of the Ainur they go to the material universe basically to shape the world. And i remember the part where Manwe the now Valar, complains to Eru Illuvatar, that Melkor AKA Morgoth keeps destroying all their works, to which Eru basically says: Do you not see how the water you have created turns to steam by Melkor's fire and how beautiful the clouds are because of that, and that by Melkor's cold, the water freezes and makes ice and snow and all sorts of wonderful things. I'm obviously paraphrasing, but it always struck me as profound. No matter how hard Melkor tries to destroy the grand design he only makes it better and more beautiful by attempting to do so. Which for some reason makes me sad and happy at the same time...The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-05-05 at 3:04 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Real knows real. I can literally sing Elendil's Oath from memory, and if that makes me an uber nerd 9001 then so be it. Also, one of the things that i have always remembered from The Silmarilion is after the song of the Ainur they go to the material universe basically to shape the world. And i remember the part where Manwe the now Valar, complains to Eru Illuvatar, that Melkor AKA Morgoth keeps destroying all their works, to which Eru basically says: Do you not see how the water you have created turns to steam by Melkor's fire and how beautiful the clouds are because of that, and that by Melkor's cold, the water freezes and makes ice and snow and all sorts of wonderful things. I'm obviously paraphrasing, but it always struck me as profound. No matter how hard Melkor tries to destroy the grand design he only makes it better and more beautiful by attempting to do so. Which for some reason makes me sad and happy at the same time…
If you don't mind my asking, when did you discover and study Tolkien? You seem to have a more sophisticated understanding of the theogeny, which isn't something I was able to access when I read The Silmarillion in middle school. I've meant to go back and really investigate the meaning behind that passage, but I've never found the time or the focus. -
2018-05-05 at 3:13 AM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick If you don't mind my asking, when did you discover and study Tolkien? You seem to have a more sophisticated understanding of the theogeny, which isn't something I was able to access when I read The Silmarillion in middle school. I've meant to go back and really investigate the meaning behind that passage, but I've never found the time or the focus.
The theogeny and theology of the LotR Universe are some of my favorite things of all of Tolkien's works. Basically i discovered it when the movies came out, but i love reading lore, so i picked up The Silmarilion, i think i was early 20's and just read a shit load of lore. At some point i even wanted to learn Quenya, and while i am linguistically gifted that was a cookie i was woefully unprepared to crack. So i never did. -
2018-05-05 at 3:18 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie The theogeny and theology of the LotR Universe are some of my favorite things of all of Tolkien's works. Basically i discovered it when the movies came out, but i love reading lore, so i picked up The Silmarilion, i think i was early 20's and just read a shit load of lore. At some point i even wanted to learn Quenya, and while i am linguistically gifted that was a cookie i was woefully unprepared to crack. So i never did.
That's fantastic that you found it when you were mature enough to pick up on the more cerebral themes. I was very young when my obsession began. I read all of it when I was 12-13. I've wanted to rediscover his work now that I'm in my twenties and understand it more fully, I just lack the focus these days. That was exactly what happened to me, as far as wanting to learn Quenya. I'm great with language and I'd love to learn it more than any other, but it's hard to justify the time-commitment and I've always been sad about that. -
2018-05-05 at 3:24 AM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick That's fantastic that you found it when you were mature enough to pick up on the more cerebral themes. I was very young when my obsession began. I read all of it when I was 12-13. I've wanted to rediscover his work now that I'm in my twenties and understand it more fully, I just lack the focus these days. That was exactly what happened to me, as far as wanting to learn Quenya. I'm great with language and I'd love to learn it more than any other, but it's hard to justify the time-commitment and I've always been sad about that.
Wouldn't it be the coolest if we could just strike up a conversation in Quenya right now. Not even Google translate would know what we'd be talking about. Although transliteration when written doesn't do the language justice.
What i also like from Tolkien is that there is a power in language. Remember when Gandalf speaks the inscription of the ring at the counsel of Elrond? If a person says the words nothing happens, but a being of sufficient power imparts or releases some of the power in the words simply by speaking them. I always liked that idea.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-05-05 at 3:32 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Wouldn't it be the coolest if we could just strike up a conversation in Quenya right now. Not even Google translate would know what we'd be talking about. Although transliteration when written doesn't do the language justice.
I had a crush on this girl in seventh grade and I was a huge nerd then, but I didn't tell her I was into LotR. One day she used a word from Quenya in a conversation at a track meet and I decided then and there that I wanted to marry her. She crushed my poor heart. Thank god for that, she was really strange in hindsight.What i also like from Tolkien is that there is a power in language. Remember when Gandalf speaks the inscription of the ring at the counsel of Elrond? If a person says the words nothing happens, but a being of sufficient power imparts some of that power into the words simply by speaking them. I always liked that idea.
It really is a fantastic inter-species symbol, too. It was built in cooperation by Celebrimbor and Narvi, the dwarf, and that it stood open for so many years is a testament to their alliance. It's a little depressing when they come upon it in The Fellowship, closed, and almost can't open it. Almost as if to scream that the days of kinship are long gone.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-05-05 at 3:57 AM UTC
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2018-05-05 at 4:16 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Also all the stories from the first age are pretty crazy, and awesome.
No offense to LOTR, which I love. But yeah, the first age is DA BEST!
I am listening durng this period "The Silmarrilion" audiobooks. I've never been into audiobooks but I love Martin Shaw and he did a wonderful job. Christopher Lee with "The Children of Húrin" too.
I once started to learn Quenya. Lol
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2018-05-05 at 4:41 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie What i also like from Tolkien is that there is a power in language. Remember when Gandalf speaks the inscription of the ring at the counsel of Elrond? If a person says the words nothing happens, but a being of sufficient power imparts or releases some of the power in the words simply by speaking them. I always liked that idea.
how is this different IRL when you see some niggers calling each other niggers and nothing happens ....
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