Are there any good arguments for antinatalism?

1. 2018-04-07 at 9:26 PM UTC

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   Zanick motherfucker [my p.a. supernal goa]
   I'm familiar with the ecological argument, that humans inevitably cause irreparable harm to the environment and that it'd be better off without our influence. I'd like to see an ontological argument which successfully asserts that it's better from an egoistic perspective to simply not exist. But if we weren't here, who would make and use all the drugs?
2. 2018-04-07 at 11:12 PM UTC

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   The Self Taught Man Black Hole
   *waits for Malice*
3. 2018-04-07 at 11:22 PM UTC

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   The Self Taught Man Black Hole
   no it's a dumb proposition
4. 2018-04-08 at 12:16 AM UTC

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   The Self Taught Man Black Hole
   I define the elimination of human suffering as my primary moral axiom. Suffering is inexorable so long as human life exists, therefore the only moral thing to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, and walk hand in hand into extinction through mass suicide.
5. 2018-04-08 at 12:17 AM UTC

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   The Self Taught Man Black Hole

   Originally posted by inb4l0pht I define the elimination of human suffering as my primary moral axiom. Suffering is inexorable so long as human life exists, therefore the only moral thing to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, and walk hand in hand into extinction through mass suicide.

   
   Sounds awesome :D
   
   You go first
6. 2018-04-08 at 12:19 AM UTC

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   Zanick motherfucker [my p.a. supernal goa]

   Originally posted by inb4l0pht I define the elimination of human suffering as my primary moral axiom. Suffering is inexorable so long as human life exists, therefore the only moral thing to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, and walk hand in hand into extinction through mass suicide.

   
   You sound like a malfunctioning robot doctor from the future. Shouldn't your first cause in the present day be to bring about the engineering that will result in your creation?
7. 2018-04-08 at 12:23 AM UTC

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   The Self Taught Man Black Hole

   Originally posted by Zanick You sound like a malfunctioning robot doctor from the future.

   
   This is probably the best ambiguous compliment/criticism I've ever received
8. 2018-04-08 at 12:28 AM UTC

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   The Self Taught Man Black Hole
   We will inevitably destroy the world through warfare if we continue the way we're going
   
   The problem with antinatalism is, if the smart people stop reproducing, the stupid people will take over because the stupid people are too stupid to understand why not having children is a good idea and they're already out-breeding us by a pretty wide margin
9. 2018-04-08 at 12:32 AM UTC

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   The Self Taught Man Black Hole

   Originally posted by Zanick You sound like a malfunctioning robot doctor from the future

   
   Lol this would be a good plot arc in a sci-fi story,
   
   Robot doctor programmed to heal any suffering.
   
   Robot determines that to heal all suffering, he must exterminate all sentient life.
10. 2018-04-08 at 12:33 AM UTC

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    The Self Taught Man Black Hole

    Originally posted by Juicebox We will inevitably destroy the world through warfare if we continue the way we're going
    
    The problem with antinatalism is, if the smart people stop reproducing, the stupid people will take over because the stupid people are too stupid to understand why not having children is a good idea and they're already out-breeding us by a pretty wide margin

    
    That’s already happening.
    
    Antinatalism means EVERYONE stops reproducing. Not just smart people.
    
    Although I guess only the smart people would choose to stop
11. 2018-04-08 at 1:05 AM UTC

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    Malice Naturally Camouflaged

    Originally posted by Fox Paws *waits for Malice*

    
    It would be wasted.
12. 2018-04-08 at 1:50 AM UTC

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    The Self Taught Man Black Hole
    you