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Is honey vegan?
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2018-03-26 at 9:54 PM UTCThe government would burn it down because the food lobby would pay them to then youd be forced to go to the supermarket and but gmo's.
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2018-03-26 at 9:57 PM UTC
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2018-03-26 at 9:58 PM UTCI'm also now on team Move the Preview Button Somewhere Else I Hate It Too
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2018-03-27 at 3:06 AM UTC
Originally posted by HTS We treat hive parasites like wax eating caterpillars, defend the hive from predators after their larva etc. Also provide them with nice, relatively well insulated bee houses for overwintering.
the honey bee, eurpoean honey bee thats been kept worldwide for honey harvesting is a total human construct and has no place in nature today
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2018-03-27 at 3:08 AM UTC
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2018-03-27 at 6:51 AM UTCWhat if you grew the bees yourself and ensured they were treated like ROYALTY
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2018-03-27 at 11:12 AM UTCI wonder how people like OP treat the human beings who bring him his food?
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2018-03-27 at 12:14 PM UTC
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2018-03-27 at 1:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist maybe to feed one or two people, but even then you'd be killing something. what about nests containing eggs or young that are unable to move? but when it comes to feeding the world just on vegetables just to save killing animals then it becomes a contradiction as that involves large scale industrial farming methods which is damaging to the habitats of not just the animals and insects that live there but the other animals that feed on them or whatever flora was there beforehand. either way there is no getting away from the killing of animals, however idealistic you want to get about it.
Livestock consume several times what we do in crops every year. If you think farming is harmful to the planet, the solution is to eliminate animal agriculture. -
2018-03-27 at 1:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick Livestock consume several times what we do in crops every year. If you think farming is harmful to the planet, the solution is to eliminate animal agriculture.
Yeah but growing crops still destroys animals habitats and plenty of animals themselves, therefore is not truly vegan.
X does more =/= y does nothing
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2018-03-27 at 2:08 PM UTCOH WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE BUGS?
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2018-03-27 at 2:25 PM UTCZugs
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2018-03-27 at 7:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist Yeah but growing crops still destroys animals habitats and plenty of animals themselves, therefore is not truly vegan.
X does more =/= y does nothing
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You can't deny that animal agriculture magnifies the environmental impact several times over. That this isn't grounds for reform in my country is largely due to lobbyists, along with willful ignorance on the part of our people. -
2018-03-27 at 9:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick You can't deny that animal agriculture magnifies the environmental impact several times over. That this isn't grounds for reform in my country is largely due to lobbyists, along with willful ignorance on the part of our people.
Go shove a carrot down your throat and ckoke on it soiboi -
2018-03-27 at 9:20 PM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick You can't deny that animal agriculture magnifies the environmental impact several times over. That this isn't grounds for reform in my country is largely due to lobbyists, along with willful ignorance on the part of our people.
no people aren't ignorant just because they don't all agree with your dumb unrealistic and unwarranted SJW ideal, zanick. most people have a good idea what's involved with farming and have based their decision to eat meat on wants/needs, practicality and economy. they understand basic concepts like the cycle of life and the natural food chain and just accept their place in the natural hierarchy of things. nature has a very good reputation for working very well. so why fuck with it?
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2018-03-27 at 10:05 PM UTCI worked at a honey farm one summer and it was the most humane work I've ever done. You are not a beekeeper or farmer you are more like a tender to the flocks of buzzlegums. They take over entire acres and rely on flowers and pollon from all over. They are the real masters of survival and we fuck it all up with Colony collapse disorders.
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2018-03-28 at 5:13 AM UTC
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2018-03-28 at 5:28 AM UTCSo Zanick, is eating fruit not vegan then either? Farmers often bring in bees to their orchards to pollinate their fruit. I imagine the conditions for these bees are much the same as in a honey farm (albeit, less cramped.)
Furthermore, do you really think the feelings of a bee are significant enough to base your moral beliefs around? Because personally, I don't think they really 'feel' anything. They simply react. I want you to separate your answer to this question from whether or not the feelings of the bee are relevant. If I could ensure you the bees felt nothing, and that they suffered none, would it be morally just then? -
2018-03-28 at 12:03 PM UTC
Originally posted by Something Squirrel I worked at a honey farm one summer and it was the most humane work I've ever done. You are not a beekeeper or farmer you are more like a tender to the flocks of buzzlegums. They take over entire acres and rely on flowers and pollon from all over. They are the real masters of survival and we fuck it all up with Colony collapse disorders.
What type of Varroa control did you practice? -
2018-03-28 at 1:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by Zanick No. We could harvest honey in a manner that doesn't harm any bees in theory, but in practice, many are killed. It's not intentional, but the intent isn't how veganism measures harm, the dead bees are.
Also consider that the bees don't want you to take their honey, which really undermines the principle of symbiosis.
youre literally a fucking retard. if nature didnt intend for a substance or organism to be nutritionally viable for the human physiology there would be measures in place to prevent the substances consumption. for an example, go try to eat a dendrobatidae frog for a first hand lesson on natures own instruction manual.
when bees are incapable of producing sufficient honey due to lack of sufficient pollen, the bee keepers provide the bees with a man-made (see that? MANMADE) replacement to sustain them until there is sufficient pollen.
youre an illiterate retard
