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How Plants Communicate and Think
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2018-03-03 at 10:53 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-03-03 at 11:07 PM UTCI remember tripping outside my studio apartment one night thinking the trees was watching my ass like it was a soap opera. Good times *sigh*
Funny thing is it was only me.
And the time the plant was mocking me I was tripping with my bud in the park.
But yes. Didn't watch the video. But I do think they are sentient intelligent matter using micronanovibrations to communicate.
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2018-03-04 at 4:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by Slaynk I remember tripping outside my studio apartment one night thinking the trees was watching my ass like it was a soap opera. Good times *sigh*
Funny thing is it was only me.
And the time the plant was mocking me I was tripping with my bud in the park.
But yes. Didn't watch the video. But I do think they are sentient intelligent matter using micronanovibrations to communicate.
Sorry, trying to save my data.
That "root-brain" theory is interesting. -
2018-03-04 at 5:24 PM UTCPlants don't think retard
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2018-03-04 at 5:48 PM UTC
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2018-03-04 at 5:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock there is no identifiable cells within plants that allow them to 'think' or form coherent thought processes.
See infinityshock, it's this type of negative thinking that makes me not able to stand you. It's that shit I can't stand man. Plants are smart, idc what you have to say. I'm half bout to take this shit somewhere else. Sick of this defeating thinking mindset. -
2018-03-04 at 6:28 PM UTC
Originally posted by Slaynk See infinityshock, it's this type of negative thinking that makes me not able to stand you. It's that shit I can't stand man. Plants are smart, idc what you have to say. I'm half bout to take this shit somewhere else. Sick of this defeating thinking mindset.
you and your plant friends are absolutely correct. your best option at this point is to take your favorite tree, impale it up your asshole with all your shit, then swan-dive the entire shebang right into the business end of a turbocharged woodchipper so you two fucktards can be together forever. -
2018-03-04 at 9:14 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock there is no identifiable cells within plants that allow them to 'think' or form coherent thought processes.
"…the Darwins proposed that: "It is hardly an exaggeration to say that the tip of the radicle thus endowed [with sensitivity] and having the power of directing the movements of the adjoining parts, acts like the brain of one of the lower animals; the brain being seated within the anterior end of the body, receiving impressions from the sense-organs, and directing the several movements." This sentence conveys two important messages: first, that the root apex may be considered to be a 'brain-like' organ endowed with a sensitivity which controls its navigation through soil; second, that the root apex represents the anterior end of the plant body. In this article, we discuss both these statements."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20514226/ -
2018-03-04 at 9:24 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind "…the Darwins proposed that: "It is hardly an exaggeration to say that the tip of the radicle thus endowed [with sensitivity] and having the power of directing the movements of the adjoining parts, acts like the brain of one of the lower animals; the brain being seated within the anterior end of the body, receiving impressions from the sense-organs, and directing the several movements." This sentence conveys two important messages: first, that the root apex may be considered to be a 'brain-like' organ endowed with a sensitivity which controls its navigation through soil; second, that the root apex represents the anterior end of the plant body. In this article, we discuss both these statements."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20514226/
nothing about that contradicts my statement of 'thinking' or forming a coherent thought process. -
2018-03-04 at 10:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by infinityshock nothing about that contradicts my statement of 'thinking' or forming a coherent thought process.
Present day results,8–13 however, are increasingly coming to show that, in contrast with the classical view, plants are definitely not passive automatic organisms. On the contrary, review they possess a sensory-based cognition which leads to behavior, decisions and even displays of prototypic intelligence.4,12
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819436/ -
2018-03-05 at 1:01 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-03-05 at 1:20 AM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Present day results,8–13 however, are increasingly coming to show that, in contrast with the classical view, plants are definitely not passive automatic organisms. On the contrary, review they possess a sensory-based cognition which leads to behavior, decisions and even displays of prototypic intelligence.4,12
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819436/
'present day' doesnt count with a 10 year old source.This new view of plants is considered controversial by several plant scientists.7
dont forget:hypothesis
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2018-03-05 at 4:53 PM UTCOn plant cognition:
In 2017 biologists from University of Birmingham announced, that they found decision-making center in Arabidopsis…
…Evidence of the plant's minimal cognition of spacial awareness can be seen in their root allocation in regards to neighboring plants.[14]The organization of these roots have been found to originate from the root tip of plants…
…In 2016, a research team led by Professor Monica Gagliano from the University of Western Australia’s Centre for Evolutionary Biology set how to test whether plants learn to respond to predicted events in their environment. The research demonstrated that plants were capable of learning the association between the occurrence of one event and the anticipation of another event (i.e. Pavlovian learning).[16] By experimentally demonstrating associative learning in plants, this finding qualified plants as proper subjects of cognitive research…
…while plants do not have "neurons" as are discussed with animals, they possess an information-processing system composed of cells.
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2018-03-06 at 7:12 PM UTCMore:
…even scientists in the field don't argue that plants have neurons or brains.
"They have analagous structures," Pollan explains. "They have ways of taking all the sensory data they gather in their everyday lives … integrate it and then behave in an appropriate way in response. And they do this without brains, which, in a way, is what's incredible about it, because we automatically assume you need a brain to process information."
And we assume you need ears to hear. But researchers, says Pollan, have played a recording of a caterpillar munching on a leaf to plants — and the plants react. They begin to secrete defensive chemicals — even though the plant isn't really threatened, Pollan says. "It is somehow hearing what is, to it, a terrifying sound of a caterpillar munching on its leaves."
Pollan says plants have all the same senses as humans, and then some. In addition to hearing, taste, for example, they can sense gravity, the presence of water, or even feel that an obstruction is in the way of its roots, before coming into contact with it. Plant roots will shift direction, he says, to avoid obstacles.
So what about pain? Do plants feel? Pollan says they do respond to anesthetics. "You can put a plant out with a human anesthetic. … And not only that, plants produce their own compounds that are anesthetic to us."
…They don't have nerve cells like humans, but they do have a system for sending electrical signals and even produce neurotransmitters, like dopamine, serotonin and other chemicals the human brain uses to send signals…
https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants -
2018-03-06 at 8:23 PM UTC20years later :
PETAP protesters chanting ... -
2018-03-06 at 8:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind More:
…even scientists in the field don't argue that plants have neurons or brains.
"They have analagous structures," Pollan explains. "They have ways of taking all the sensory data they gather in their everyday lives … integrate it and then behave in an appropriate way in response. And they do this without brains, which, in a way, is what's incredible about it, because we automatically assume you need a brain to process information."
And we assume you need ears to hear. But researchers, says Pollan, have played a recording of a caterpillar munching on a leaf to plants — and the plants react. They begin to secrete defensive chemicals — even though the plant isn't really threatened, Pollan says. "It is somehow hearing what is, to it, a terrifying sound of a caterpillar munching on its leaves."
Pollan says plants have all the same senses as humans, and then some. In addition to hearing, taste, for example, they can sense gravity, the presence of water, or even feel that an obstruction is in the way of its roots, before coming into contact with it. Plant roots will shift direction, he says, to avoid obstacles.
So what about pain? Do plants feel? Pollan says they do respond to anesthetics. "You can put a plant out with a human anesthetic. … And not only that, plants produce their own compounds that are anesthetic to us."
…They don't have nerve cells like humans, but they do have a system for sending electrical signals and even produce neurotransmitters, like dopamine, serotonin and other chemicals the human brain uses to send signals…
https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants
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2018-03-06 at 8:33 PM UTCWhat if all human beings is tree
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2018-03-06 at 8:48 PM UTCBad science: The thread
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2018-03-07 at 12:04 AM UTC
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2018-03-07 at 4:49 PM UTCThe plant root cap, a group of some 200 cells that act holistically in responding to numerous signals, likely possesses a similar systems structure agreeing with Darwin’s description of acting like the brain of a lower organism. Intelligent behavior requires assessment of different choices and taking the beneficial one. Decisions are constantly required to optimize the plant phenotype to a dynamic environment and the cambium is the assessing tissue diverting more or removing resources from different shoot and root branches through manipulation of vascular elements. Environmental awareness likely indicates consciousness. Spontaneity in plant behavior, ability to count to five and error correction indicate intention. Volatile organic compounds are used as signals in plant interactions and being complex in composition may be the equivalent of language accounting for self and alien recognition by individual plants. Game theory describes competitive interactions. Interactive and intelligent outcomes emerge from application of various games between plants themselves and interactions with microbes. Behavior profiting from experience, another simple definition of intelligence, requires both learning and memory and is indicated in the priming of herbivory, disease and abiotic stresses.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4845027/
