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We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-03-02 at 9:29 AM UTC
Originally posted by §m£ÂgØL2becausescronfuckeduptheforum This is meat eater propaganda at it's finest and you should be ashamed of yourself you fucking predator
propganda he reads from the internet
his entire personality is made up of facts from /pol/ and theredpill
there's a whole fucking world out there, issue313 -
2018-03-02 at 9:29 AM UTCGiving up Matt stint es Sri because meet is fucking tasty.
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2018-03-02 at 9:30 AM UTCTake 2: Giving up meat ain't easy because meet is fucking tasty
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2018-03-02 at 4:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny He came onto a site with an ethical opinion that was obviously going to be unpopular and tried defend it to a (as you can plainly see) hostile audience. This seems like a pretty different thing from trying to guilt his friends into anything.
Saying "you have a moral obligation not to do X" is an attempt to use guilt as a weapon.
Just because the attempt doesn't work (on most people) doesn't mean it's not there.
When do people like you and Zanick say something life affirming? Like "enjoy life, and don't worry so much?"
You and Zanick have a moral obligation to stop imposing moral obligations upon other people.
Originally posted by Zanick Lol, you don't know me at all but I appreciate the criticism.
Do you ever encourage people? Do you ever say "who the fuck cares about the feeling of people who aren't us. My friends come first!"
You'll admit that life is suffering, then make up moral rules to ... achieve what exactly?You remind me of my uncle who wishes for the return of Apartheid.
I'm sure that'd be morally wrong, right?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-03-02 at 5:21 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny So you would agree with the statement "there is no moral issue with adopting a large number of dogs and cats in order to torture them"?
do you know that heating water to make coffees or teas are making resident microbes in your waters feel uncomfortable ????
torturous even ????
do fucking youu ???The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-03-02 at 5:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by benny vader do you know that heating water to make coffees or teas are making resident microbes in your waters feel uncomfortable ????
torturous even ????
do fucking youu ???
But you people eat cats and dogs on a daily basis, so you're in no position to take a unbiased stance on the subject. And microbes have no central nervous system, so they can't feel pain. -
2018-03-02 at 5:49 PM UTC
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2018-03-02 at 5:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by §m£ÂgØL2becausescronfuckeduptheforum Just gonna say, I actually, in real life, went to lunch with Zanick. He did not pressure me not to eat meat. I ate meat right in front of him and he gave not one fuck.
Most vegetarians/vegans I met don't even mention it really. There's probably a few dreadlocked hippie girls who try to push the agenda, but they're far and few between. I've had friendships that went months without me even knowing they were veggies. Even offered them meat and they just said "No." Not, "No, I'm a vegetarian."
This is meat eater propaganda at it's finest and you should be ashamed of yourself you fucking predator
The thing about vegetarianism and veganism is that it's basically a meme - a mind virus.
Do you know what a meme is? Not those reddit pictures with some stupid text. Memes are ideas that people spread to each other. A religion is a good example of a meme.
If you are smart you will notice people approaching you regularly to infect you with memes. When you have a meme you think is worth spreading you are drawn to smart people the same way a fox with rabies is drawn to humans.
Because just like any disease, in order for a meme to spread it requires somewhere to grow.
Anyway tldr, people don't usually bother even trying to spread their memes to retards. -
2018-03-02 at 5:56 PM UTC
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2018-03-02 at 6:19 PM UTC
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2018-03-02 at 6:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL For organisms to suffer, they would require an hypothalamus, but they don't have one. Microorganisms feel no pain whatsoever, neither do plants nor fungae.
this is phalse. microorganisms and cells alike feel the same way we do.
do you know that cells have orgasm when they divide ??? yes they do, which is why they enjoy dividing so much.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-03-02 at 6:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL For organisms to suffer, they would require an hypothalamus, but they don't have one. Microorganisms feel no pain whatsoever, neither do plants nor fungae.
Plants and fungae feel pain.
How does possession of a hypothalamus or whatever suddenly mean that your pain is valid?
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2018-03-02 at 7:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 Plants and fungae feel pain.
How does possession of a hypothalamus or whatever suddenly mean that your pain is valid?
How does a human feeling pain matter to the universe anyway?
Sorry. Wrong. No nervous system, no brain, no pain. It's that simple. The Liberal "touchy-feely-everyone-hug-now" thing is not a scientific argument, it's just a good bedtime story. -
2018-03-02 at 7:08 PM UTC
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2018-03-02 at 7:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 Saying "you have a moral obligation not to do X" is an attempt to use guilt as a weapon.
No, that's a clear statement of ethical position. Guilting someone might look like "you are a terrible person and should should feel ashamed of eating meat". If saying something is morally wrong is nothing but guilt tripping, how exactly do you suggest one should discuss ethics?When do people like you and Zanick say something life affirming? Like "enjoy life, and don't worry so much?"
About as often as most people I expect? There are things that are worth worrying about and things that aren't. It seems like Zanick and I think the ethics of food production is in the former while you won't find either of us bemoaning miscegenation, which seems to be a favored passtime of yours. When was the last time you said "enjoy life, don't worry about race mixing"?
Originally posted by benny vader this is phalse. microorganisms and cells alike feel the same way we do.
do you know that cells have orgasm when they divide ??? yes they do, which is why they enjoy dividing so much.
Originally posted by Issue313 Plants and fungae feel pain.
How does possession of a hypothalamus or whatever suddenly mean that your pain is valid?
How does a human feeling pain matter to the universe anyway?
I'm pretty sure in a 13 page thread that this has been addressed several times before now but the salient feature of non-human members of the animal kingdom that make them morally considerable is their capacity to suffer or <feel pleasure/experience eudaimonia/satisfy preferences>. A carrot has no nervous system, it can not feel pain, it has no notion of pleasure. Animals like cows are clearly capable experiencing pain, suffering, depression. -
2018-03-02 at 7:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL Sorry. Wrong. No nervous system, no brain, no pain. It's that simple. The Liberal "touchy-feely-everyone-hug-now" thing is not a scientific argument, it's just a good bedtime story.
Plants have advanced nerve like systems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_perception_(physiology)#Electrophysiology
All nerves are commonly accepted to do is to pass on electrical signals by ion transfer.
There is no reason to think that electrical signals confer any metaphysical rights or obligations upon anything.
Pain is an illusion and your belief system is a tissue of lies. -
2018-03-02 at 7:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny If saying something is morally wrong is nothing but guilt tripping, how exactly do you suggest one should discuss ethics?
morals ≠ ethics
Ethics refer to rules provided by an external source, e.g., codes of conduct in workplaces or principles in religions. Morals refer to an individual's own principles regarding right and wrong. -
2018-03-02 at 7:20 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny you won't find either of us bemoaning miscegenation, which seems to be a favored passtime of yours. When was the last time you said "enjoy life, don't worry about race mixing"?
I don't think I ever said anything about that, other than that white women suck and we should get brown,japanese and robot waifus. Why are you strawmaning me? -
2018-03-02 at 7:21 PM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 There is no reason to think that electrical signals confer any metaphysical rights or obligations upon anything.
Exactly correct, which is why your argument is vacuous. You'll notice no one said "everything with something that sorta looks like a nervous system if you squint at it right has moral right", simply that the absence of one is a reasonable criterion for exclusion from moral considerability. Capacity to suffer or experience utility is the relevant metric, plants do not possess these qualities. -
2018-03-02 at 7:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker morals ≠ ethics
Ethics refer to rules provided by an external source, e.g., codes of conduct in workplaces or principles in religions. Morals refer to an individual's own principles regarding right and wrong.
Everything in this post is wrong.
Originally posted by Issue313 I don't think I ever said anything about that, other than that white women suck and we should get brown,japanese and robot waifus. Why are you strawmaning me?
IDK, I saw you posting about "muds" and some shit about the irish being depopulated. Whatever, this is the most minor point in my post. The point is that caring about the ethics of food production doesn't imply spending your whole life in a frenzied state of concern. What even is the point of asking how often someone says not to worry? What on earth does that have to do with the ethical issue?
Also why don't you respond to the rest of that post?
