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2018-02-05 at 5:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 Getting attached to a thing seems silly. Everything I own right now will be lying in a landfill in 50 years.
not if make a or a few kids of your own and pass it down to them so they'd inherit it and pass it down to their children and their children's children.
edit : thread reminds me of this
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2018-02-06 at 2:21 AM UTC
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2018-02-06 at 8:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by benny vader not if make a or a few kids of your own and pass it down to them so they'd inherit it and pass it down to their children and their children's children.
edit : thread reminds me of this
https://niggasin.space/post/247348
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2018-02-06 at 5:44 PM UTC
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2018-02-07 at 12:10 AM UTC
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2018-02-07 at 12:12 AM UTCCrackheads are the cucks of the drug world. Here's cocaine only at least 30% of the weight is baking soda. Cucks I tell ya! CUCKS!
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2018-02-07 at 1:46 AM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 Entropy is the amount of disorder in a system. Stuff tends to break as a result of the tendency for entropy to increase.
While entropy is, in a sense, the amount of disorder in a system it's not the reason your possessions break. Your shit tends to break down because it's made cheaply in Chinese sweatshops, or it's poorly designed, or because it experiences exposure to destructive levels of force or corrosive agents or a hundred other reasons. These things are not entropy. Entropy tends to increase in closed systems which describes none of your household, modern consumer markets, or our planet. If that were the case you'd never be able to acquire new things to replace broken ones because there wouldn't be enough negentropy remaining to reconstruct them. -
2018-02-07 at 1:58 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny While entropy is, in a sense, the amount of disorder in a system it's not the reason your possessions break. Your shit tends to break down because it's made cheaply in Chinese sweatshops, or it's poorly designed, or because it experiences exposure to destructive levels of force or corrosive agents or a hundred other reasons. These things are not entropy. Entropy tends to increase in closed systems which describes none of your household, modern consumer markets, or our planet. If that were the case you'd never be able to acquire new things to replace broken ones because there wouldn't be enough negentropy remaining to reconstruct them.
Shit tends to break because there are far more states in which they aren't functional than in which they are. Don't know if that's entropy or just probability though. -
2018-02-07 at 2 AM UTC"Money doesn't buy happiness" = "I am lazy and unmotivated. This saying helps me feel less shitty about being a poor shit cunt".The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-02-09 at 9:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny While entropy is, in a sense, the amount of disorder in a system it's not the reason your possessions break. Your shit tends to break down because it's made cheaply in Chinese sweatshops, or it's poorly designed, or because it experiences exposure to destructive levels of force or corrosive agents or a hundred other reasons.
That's like saying old people die because their heart stops beating. In the short term, that's why, but it was going to break down anyway. Everything is moving towards disorder. Even a rock is breaking down into dirt.
There is no way to stop corrosion completely, no matter what you do. Everything we do - paint, etc. is just slowing down the inevitable.
We can make stuff because we have so much order left over from the creation of the earth in the form of mineral deposits and energy that was generated from the entropic decay of the sun.
If you ever look at the bonding energy of atomic nuclei it's interesting, the lowest energy state is Iron, and things like Hydrogen and Uranium have the most energy to give off. Everything is moving towards being iron in a cold universe.
You need to take the black pill and not blame the little things like your laptops hinge design for the inevitability of decay. -
2018-02-09 at 10:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 That's like saying old people die because their heart stops beating. In the short term, that's why, but it was going to break down anyway. Everything is moving towards disorder. Even a rock is breaking down into dirt.
I don't get how this analogy is supposed to work. Are you trying to say it's invalid to say old people die because their hearts stop beating? Sure, if we didn't experience senescence and lived very carefully and managed to get off earth and colonize other planets then sure, it's conceivable that someone could die as a result of entropic increase, existing in a universe that no longer had enough energy imbalance to sustain life. But so far exactly zero people have died because of this.There is no way to stop corrosion completely, no matter what you do. Everything we do - paint, etc. is just slowing down the inevitable.
I never said there was. I just said entropic increase is not the reason household belongings break.We can make stuff because we have so much order left over from the creation of the earth in the form of mineral deposits and energy that was generated from the entropic decay of the sun.
Right. I'm not saying entropy in our universe is not increasing. I'm saying that things aren't breaking as a result of insufficient negentropy in the environment. Like you said, entropy on the surface of the earth is still quite low. Entropy is not a synonym for decay.You need to take the black pill and not blame the little things like your laptops hinge design for the inevitability of decay.
You need to read a formal treatment of the second law and not blame little things like your laptops hinge breaking on physical laws. -
2018-02-09 at 11:03 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny I never said there was. I just said entropic increase is not the reason household belongings break.
It is not necessarily the reason they do break, but it is the reason they will break, no matter what.You need to read a formal treatment of the second law and not blame little things like your laptops hinge breaking on physical laws.
I am talking from a philosophical standpoint. If you want a mathematical explanation of why things like metal fatigue can be thought of as a form of entropy production you could look at the likes of this:
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2018-02-10 at 12:17 AM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 It is not necessarily the reason they do break, but it is the reason they will break, no matter what.
this seems like a reversal on this position:
Originally posted by Issue313 Entropy is the amount of disorder in a system. Stuff tends to break as a result of the tendency for entropy to increase.
but working with this softer claim I can't help but ask so what? Who cares if entropy will eventually kill you if there's 100% chance of you dying for some other reason? Like maybe we'll find the second law doesn't pan out, we can reverse entropy, it doesn't change anything for you since entropy was never your problem to start with.
Originally posted by Issue313 I am talking from a philosophical standpoint. If you want a mathematical explanation of why things like metal fatigue can be thought of as a form of entropy production you could look at the likes of this:
http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/1/24/htm
Sure, metal fatigue as well literally all work (in the kinematics sense) produces entropy. And in a retroactive sense we can use entropy generation as a proxy for modeling metal fatigue. This still doesn't really seem to substantiate the claim that entropy is responsible for breakage of consumer products. -
2018-02-10 at 3:30 AM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 Even a rock is breaking down into dirt.
and then be metamorphosized back into metamorphosis rocks. or limestones. or sand stones.There is no way to stop corrosion completely, no matter what you do. Everything we do - paint, etc. is just slowing down the inevitable.
i thot gold does not corrode.
We can make stuff because we have so much order left over from the creation of the earth in the form of mineral deposits and energy that was generated from the entropic decay of the sun.If you ever look at the bonding energy of atomic nuclei it's interesting, the lowest energy state is Iron, and things like Hydrogen and Uranium have the most energy to give off. Everything is moving towards being iron in a cold universe.
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2018-02-10 at 11:10 AM UTCYeah, yellow ghost makes a good point. A reasonable amount of matter on the surface of the earth is reducing in entropy as time progresses. Biological material under pressure is turning into highly combustible material, which is the opposite of local entropic increase. The entirety of life on earth represents the centralization of energy spread across time and space into chemically available energy. In the region of space we routinely observe many, many systems experience decreasing entropy.
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2018-02-10 at 12:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by benny vader and then be metamorphosized back into metamorphosis rocks. or limestones. or sand stones.
This relies on the earth's heat, which is caused by spontaneous radioactive decay within the earth's core. Which is left over from the nuclear fire that turned hydrogen into the various heavy elements you see all around you.
No one knows exactly what causes an atomic nuclei to spontaneously decide to split, but it's basically a result of entropy.what about gold ???
There's normally no where for gold to go that results in an increase in entropy. -
2018-02-10 at 5:14 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Yeah, yellow ghost makes a good point. A reasonable amount of matter on the surface of the earth is reducing in entropy as time progresses. Biological material under pressure is turning into highly combustible material, which is the opposite of local entropic increase. The entirety of life on earth represents the centralization of energy spread across time and space into chemically available energy. In the region of space we routinely observe many, many systems experience decreasing entropy.
thanks but sorry, no.We can make stuff because we have so much order left over from the creation of the earth in the form of mineral deposits and energy that was generated from the entropic decay of the sun.
this was actually issue's point that i forgot to wrap quote tags around and address. -
2018-03-11 at 8:30 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Yeah, yellow ghost makes a good point. A reasonable amount of matter on the surface of the earth is reducing in entropy as time progresses. Biological material under pressure is turning into highly combustible material, which is the opposite of local entropic increase. The entirety of life on earth represents the centralization of energy spread across time and space into chemically available energy. In the region of space we routinely observe many, many systems experience decreasing entropy.
Yes but the Universe is a closed system. The overall entropy has a tendency to increase over time.
