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2017-12-16 at 12:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Is this something everyone gets to do or just you?
Many people misunderstand reincarnation. For instance the idea that the soul is an atomic thing, indivisible and absolute in itself, and separate from physical reality, is kinda broken. So is the idea that you can only reincarnate after you have died, it certainly isn't like that. But you certainly can return to earth multiple times, although each time you will be a little different.
Pre-Christians believe that time is not linear, leading towards some great singularity/judgement day, but cyclical. Even for people like you. -
2017-12-16 at 12:15 AM UTCIf you can be reincarnated multiple times before you die, does this mean your soul can be instantiated in two different bodies or places or things at the same time?
If die and then are reincarnated but are a little different, in what ways are you similar? -
2017-12-16 at 12:25 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny If you can be reincarnated multiple times before you die, does this mean your soul can be instantiated in two different bodies or places or things at the same time?
Probably, yes.If die and then are reincarnated but are a little different, in what ways are you similar?
I really can't say for sure. If we had a way to experimentally look at all this I'm sure we'd all be like "oh, that's a surprise, didn't expect that". But we don't, so speculation is useless. All we know for sure is that reincarnation is real. -
2017-12-16 at 12:30 AM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 I really can't say for sure. If we had a way to experimentally look at all this I'm sure we'd all be like "oh, that's a surprise, didn't expect that". But we don't, so speculation is useless. All we know for sure is that reincarnation is real.
Skepticism like this in close proximity to what seems like an absolute conviction of the truth of reincarnation is kind of an odd combo. You say we can't be sure about the exact mechanics of reincarnation without some kind of experimentation. What is it that makes reincarnation itself a sure bet? -
2017-12-16 at 12:45 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Skepticism like this in close proximity to what seems like an absolute conviction of the truth of reincarnation is kind of an odd combo. You say we can't be sure about the exact mechanics of reincarnation without some kind of experimentation. What is it that makes reincarnation itself a sure bet?
Yes, I'd agree. Besides my personal conviction I think that reincarnation is the healthiest and most life-affirming worldview possible, and nature tends towards healthy and life-affirming alternatives to judeo-christianity or even atheism whenever possible.
I think that the idea of reincarnation, at least as I envisage it, tends towards maximal darwinian potential, as an organism which retains memories from its ancestors/previous lives (same thing) is the most likely to not make the same mistakes again.
In addition a population which believes in reincarnation is the most likely to seek to retain a healthy biosphere for future populations. That alone makes the idea of reincarnation the most likely (and desirable to push) possible scenario for me.
Like I said, if we didn't know about, for instance, atomic theory, you could spend the whole day poking holes in the idea of atomic theory, ie. well what keeps the electrons in orbit, well why don't atoms all just fly off into space then, well why don't they just coalesce then, etc. Absent an empirical science discussing this stuff is kinda pointless. -
2017-12-16 at 2:05 AM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 Yes, I'd agree. Besides my personal conviction I think that reincarnation is the healthiest and most life-affirming worldview possible, and nature tends towards healthy and life-affirming alternatives to judeo-christianity or even atheism whenever possible.
I think that the idea of reincarnation, at least as I envisage it, tends towards maximal darwinian potential, as an organism which retains memories from its ancestors/previous lives (same thing) is the most likely to not make the same mistakes again.
In addition a population which believes in reincarnation is the most likely to seek to retain a healthy biosphere for future populations.
Those are all potential benefits of belief in reincarnation but none of them imply this:That alone makes the idea of reincarnation the most likely (and desirable to push) possible scenario for me.
Something potentially having good effects doesn't mean it is true. Like it would be pretty swell to believe I was the most attractive guy alive and maybe it would have some positive effects but it says absolutely nothing about the actual truth of the matter.
And without external ethical support something like potential ecological effects are a circular defense. You say "reincarnation belief is good because it encourages environmentalism", I ask "why is environmentalism good", and if you say "because we're going to be reincarnated and need the planet to be in good shape in the future" then you've used reincarnation as a premise in defense of reincarnation itself. If you answer with anything else then we don't need reincarnation beliefs to justify environmentalism so the whole line of reasoning was pointless.Like I said, if we didn't know about, for instance, atomic theory, you could spend the whole day poking holes in the idea of atomic theory, ie. well what keeps the electrons in orbit, well why don't atoms all just fly off into space then, well why don't they just coalesce then, etc. Absent an empirical science discussing this stuff is kinda pointless.
Sure, if we had no experimental evidence of atomic theory then the only reasonable attitude towards atomic theory would be skepticism. The fact that we did eventually find experimental evidence of atomic theory doesn't vindicate every theory lacking evidence.
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2017-12-16 at 3:39 AM UTCAaaand I want a Photon Lazer
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2017-12-16 at 6:52 AM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 I sorta look forward to dying. I view it as a sort of a break, before I reincarnate into one of my descendants.
Originally posted by Issue313 So is the idea that you can only reincarnate after you have died, it certainly isn't like that.
so why are you still looking forward to dying ???? -
2017-12-16 at 7:14 AM UTCReincarnation exists, just not in the way any of you think.
There is no such thing as the soul, since all you are is an amalgamation of biological and physical processes (ie. you're automoata)
When you die, your consciousness ceases to be and your corpse decomposes then time goes on the universe reaches its inevitable death and the mutiverse with it.
Now what happens after all of this is that existence within your cluster of reality basically resets and you are born around the time your life began in the previous timeline, with the same features and everything except with different probabilities and happenings.
I used to think that time would simply reset and you would end up in the same universe it would just shift to clone of itself (quantum mechanics) but I'm thinking that we should start thinking of reality separate from universes and more in terms of "reality clusters".
Reality clusters are instances of existence projected by what I will call yume.
Yume is the source of what we know as existence (in this dimension/bubble of reality).
Think of yume as a game engine for online multiplayer, any given server can run at the same time from the host and can project into infinity which is what yume does.
There is an infinite amount of realities within yume, and an infinite amount of brother instances of our own.
Here is where it gets really tricky though, are you consciously/quantumly separated from those instances that are intangible to you, then that would mean any past and future lives you will live are attached to your single individual self you experience consciously thus in a sense there is a soul, it would just be the particular individual data that creates your ego.
Right now there are realities where other conscious beings are in a sense you as in they have similar dna, lives and upbringing but they're a separate consciousness.
I think more likely is that if this civilization doesn't die out they'll discover time travel and use it to bring people back to life, by copying their dna and consciousness before the time of their death and projecting them into their present (your future). -
2017-12-16 at 7:20 AM UTCthere are two types of reincarnation :
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2017-12-16 at 7:28 AM UTCBy spiritual do you mean the idea that your consciousness will be reborn in a different form or body?
Yeah, that doesn't happen because your consciousness is the byproduct of your dna/physical form.
Without the right chemicals and prerequisites the body would birth a different consciousness. -
2017-12-16 at 8 AM UTC
Originally posted by Hikikomori-Yume By spiritual do you mean the idea that your consciousness will be reborn in a different form or body?
Yeah, that doesn't happen because your consciousness is the byproduct of your dna/physical form.
Without the right chemicals and prerequisites the body would birth a different consciousness.
no, our spirits are more like energies at a certain wavelength.
our bodies are like radios thats capable of receiving and turning oscillation form these energy waves and demodulate them into electrical energies firing your brains and become your brainwave pattern, making you you and me me. normally a person usually responds to energies of a specific wavelength, but some are able to tune in into multiple wavelengths .... doctors say these people have multiple personality disorder.
and when we, our bodies die, these energies continue to exist, searching for another radio that is compatible with their frequency. the so called ''reincarnation''.
most of us can see color, that is to say light energy on all its humanly visible spectrum .... some of us are color blind, that is to say their eyes are incapable of processing lights in a certain wavelength ....
but a some of us have eyes that see more than just energies in the wavelengths of lights .... they can also see energies in the wavelength of spirits.
these people ... they say the see dead people. -
2017-12-16 at 8:14 AM UTCSorry to burst your bubble but that's all ignorant new-age nonsense.
You are just your consciousness, which is an illusion created by the input/output stimuli your brain receives.
Any "doctor" who thinks MPD has something to do with wavelengths and other esoteric nonsense should have their license revoked. -
2017-12-16 at 9:08 AM UTC
Originally posted by Hikikomori-Yume Sorry to burst your bubble but that's all ignorant new-age nonsense.
Originally posted by Hikikomori-Yume Now what happens after all of this is that existence within your cluster of reality basically resets and you are born around the time your life began in the previous timeline, with the same features and everything except with different probabilities and happenings.
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2017-12-16 at 9:12 AM UTCall i know is the spirit/soul is real you're more than just your body
in the future with more and more nano technology and artifial life extending procedures you lose your humanity and you don't move on from this plane if you're kept inside of an artificial vessel that doesn't die.
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2017-12-16 at 9:23 AM UTCI look forward to dying to. That nothingness and ceasing to exist at all sounds honestly like the greatest thing I could ever imagine.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-12-16 at 9:41 AM UTC
Originally posted by Issue313 Probably, yes.
I really can't say for sure. If we had a way to experimentally look at all this I'm sure we'd all be like "oh, that's a surprise, didn't expect that". But we don't, so speculation is useless. All we know for sure is that reincarnation is real.
and how do you know this?
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2017-12-16 at 9:57 AM UTC
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2017-12-16 at 10:04 AM UTC
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2017-12-16 at 11:59 AM UTC
Originally posted by Bill Krozby all i know is the spirit/soul is real you're more than just your body
in the future with more and more nano technology and artifial life extending procedures you lose your humanity and you don't move on from this plane if you're kept inside of an artificial vessel that doesn't die.
mark of the beast 666
There is no soul or spirit, literally.
Your sense of self is just an illusion, a byproduct of your body's neurochemical processes.
You won't be moving on anywhere (in life either, considering you're just a trashy imbecile) once your body dies.
Virtualization doesn't strip you of anything, it's ironic that clueless retards like you who subscribe to new-age delusion keep that belief.
