2017-11-11 at 1:15 AM UTC
Originally posted by 霍比特人说中文不好
If you consent, that's the end of it.
I don't disagree, honestly. It's just... the situation itself is at least a little fucked, regardless of whether you consent. Consenting to things under pressure is different than just "consent", and the power imbalance there puts a lot of pressure on the person being propositioned to consent. It may not be a knife to her throat or a gun to a family member's head or anything, but we legally protect people from other forms of coercion in other contexts... and people are understandably morally opposed to the idea of putting undue pressure on other people in exchange for money/sex/etc. Y'know?
If he'd asked for $1000 and these women said they felt like they were being pressured to pay him to advance their careers, and they paid him, would you say "well they consented"? They may have consented, but the situation is still morally kind of fucked.
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2017-11-11 at 2:33 AM UTC
Originally posted by HTS
I don't disagree, honestly. It's just… the situation itself is at least a little fucked, regardless of whether you consent. Consenting to things under pressure is different than just "consent", and the power imbalance there puts a lot of pressure on the person being propositioned to consent. It may not be a knife to her throat or a gun to a family member's head or anything, but we legally protect people from other forms of coercion in other contexts… and people are understandably morally opposed to the idea of putting undue pressure on other people in exchange for money/sex/etc. Y'know?
If he'd asked for $1000 and these women said they felt like they were being pressured to pay him to advance their careers, and they paid him, would you say "well they consented"? They may have consented, but the situation is still morally kind of fucked.
Except, this 'power thing' is only in the person's head and not based in any real reality. He NEVER offered career advancement for sex.
If he offered 1k to advance their careers it would have been clear abuse because he is consciously making an offer so that he can benefit. Asking somebody if you can masturbate in front of them is not at all the same thing.
At what point do you decide that the power balance is so strong that people can't possibly have consensual sex? These woman needed to be stronger and say no. All this feminism in the world but people still want to make women out to be these weak little shits.
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2017-11-11 at 2:35 AM UTC
Kreepy is a good testament to why you should probably never masturbate in front of strangers.
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2017-11-11 at 2:40 AM UTC
Really though, can Louis CK only have sex with other famous comedians? Is everybody who is a comedian off-limits to him?
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2017-11-11 at 3:41 AM UTC
Originally posted by 霍比特人说中文不好
If you consent, that's the end of it. These were adult women who had the power to say no, and who in any other situation would be believed to have the responsibility of choice. Some of them did. There was no implication. If you're thinking "Damn, if I sleep with this dude maybe he'll make me famous" then you're kind of the manipulative one, ey? I doubt people would be screaming abuse if the gender roles were reversed.
true. its like all the bitches i fucked while i was selling drugs. you could claim i took advantage of the fact they wanted to get or keep getting my drugs and i took advantage of that. but then they were fucking me to get free drugs so they are equally manipulating me.
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2017-11-11 at 3:47 AM UTC
also i think these women seriously need to grow a pair. so you saw a guy have a wank? big fucking deal, you're an adult. welcome to fucking real life, fasten your seat belt coz you'll be seeing a lot worse before the rides over.
get fucking real ffs.
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2017-11-11 at 3:58 AM UTC
Originally posted by jedi.Goldstein
No.
You deserve to be strongly beaten for this post.
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2017-11-11 at 4:03 AM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist
true. its like all the bitches i fucked while i was selling drugs. you could claim i took advantage of the fact they wanted to get or keep getting my drugs and i took advantage of that. but then they were fucking me to get free drugs so they are equally manipulating me.
This is the sort of shit I could equally argue for or against, and convince the likes of §m£ÂgØL I was dead right either way.
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2017-11-11 at 4:06 AM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist
true. its like all the bitches i fucked while i was selling drugs. you could claim i took advantage of the fact they wanted to get or keep getting my drugs and i took advantage of that. but then they were fucking me to get free drugs so they are equally manipulating me.
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People only bitch because it's women.
Originally posted by HTS
I'm not saying if "what if he straight up offered to advance careers", I'm saying what if he just asked for money and the people present felt the implication was that their careers could stagnate if they didn't pony up? There's no specific point that you decide that sex can't possibly be uncoerced, but if people later say they felt coerced it isn't automatically invalidated because they ended up consenting to whatever they claim they felt coerced to do.
Listen and believe, shitlord. Or like, at least remember it's not necessarily that anyone's lying or being weak, and there's a chance that it's all just valid and conflicting feelings about something that happened. You don't have to mean to hurt someone to end up hurting someone etc. That's how it seems from Louis' response too - he didn't necessarily think it was going to make anyone uncomfortable, but he accepts that he did.
Let's review:
-No negative intention
-Nonviolent/nonforceful
-Women said yes, but regret it
MORALLY FUCKED
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2017-11-11 at 4:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by jedi.Goldstein
This is the sort of shit I could equally argue for or against, and convince the likes of §m£ÂgØL I was dead right either way.
Originally posted by HTS
I'm not saying if "what if he straight up offered to advance careers", I'm saying what if he just asked for money and the people present felt the implication was that their careers could stagnate if they didn't pony up? There's no specific point that you decide that sex can't possibly be uncoerced, but if people later say they felt coerced it isn't automatically invalidated because they ended up consenting to whatever they claim they felt coerced to do.
Listen and believe, shitlord. Or like, at least remember it's not necessarily that anyone's lying or being weak, and there's a chance that it's all just valid and conflicting feelings about something that happened. You don't have to mean to hurt someone to end up hurting someone etc. That's how it seems from Louis' response too - he didn't necessarily think it was going to make anyone uncomfortable, but he accepts that he did.
To put this in perspective §m£ÂgØL, imagine you went out with the CEO of a publishing company for drinks after a long day of writing and spent an entire evening talking about writing and where you saw your career as a writer heading and they invited you back to their place for drinks and then asked if they could masturbate in front of you/to you.
How would you take that request? I mean I'm reasonably sure you'd say no, but just being asked would feel coercive as fuck neh?
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2017-11-11 at 4:12 AM UTC
Originally posted by HTS
To put this in perspective §m£ÂgØL, imagine you went out with the CEO of a publishing company for drinks after a long day of writing and spent an entire evening talking about writing and where you saw your career as a writer heading and they invited you back to their place for drinks and then asked if they could masturbate in front of you/to you.
How would you take that request? I mean I'm reasonably sure you'd say no, but just being asked would feel coercive as fuck neh?
§m£ÂgØL would let him bum him
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