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The Oak Hill satanic ritual abuse trial
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2017-09-22 at 1:05 AM UTCthis is wild I didn't even know this shit happened in my hood when I was a toddler
In the summer of 1991, the therapist of a three-year-old child being treated for behavioural problems due to her parents' divorce alleged that the Kellers had sexually abused the child. The child's mother contacted the police, who alerted the case's eventual prosecuting attorney, who contacted a friend whose child was also enrolled in the day care and being treated by the same therapist. During the time leading up to the trial, two other children from the day care offered similar accusations. According to the children, the couple served blood-laced Kool-Aid and forced them to have videotaped sex with adults and other children. The Kellers, they said, sometimes wore white robes and lit candles before hurting them. The children also accused the Kellers of forcing them to watch or participate in the killing and dismemberment of cats, dogs and a crying baby. Bodies were unearthed in cemeteries and new holes dug to hide freshly killed animals and, once, an adult passer-by was shot and dismembered with a chain saw. The children recalled several plane trips, including one to Mexico, where they were sexually abused by soldiers before returning to Austin in time to meet their parents at the day care.[1]
An adult, who had recently claimed to have recovered memories of childhood ritual abuse, claimed the abuse was an example of satanic ritual abuse, and parents began to contact each other, eventually launching a legal case. With information gathered from Believe the Children, an organization created by the parents involved in the earlier McMartin preschool trial, children enrolled in the Kellers's daycare were repeatedly questioned by parents, therapists and law enforcement officers as part of the investigation.
Suspicion expanded to include public officials, including police officers; one officer's ex-husband was interrogated for several hours and submitted to two polygraph tests, eventually confessing child, but not ritual, abuse; although he retracted the confession the following morning. Following this confession, the Kellers fled the state, later explaining that their decision was based on the draconian sentences imposed on other, similarly-accused day care providers. The children were diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder.[2]
The Kellers faced a six-day trial. The first child, whose testimony began the investigation against the Kellers, claimed that no abuse had actually taken place, but she had been coached to claim that abuse had occurred. The only physical evidence of abuse in the case was presented by Dr. Michael Mouw, an emergency room physician at Brackenridge Hospital who examined the 3-year-old girl in 1991 on the night she first accused Dan Keller of abuse. Mouw testified at the Kellers' trial that he found two tears in the girl's hymen consistent with sexual abuse and determined that the injuries were less than 24 hours old. Three years after the trial, while attending a medical seminar, Mouw said a slide presentation on "normal" pediatric hymens included a photo that was identical to what he had observed in the girl.[1][3]
The Kellers were found guilty and given sentences of 48 years each.
Fran Keller went to a prison near Marlin, Texas while Dan Keller went to a prison near Amarillo, Texas.
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2017-09-22 at 1:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by Bill Krozby this is wild I didn't even know this shit happened in my hood when I was a toddler
In the summer of 1991, the therapist of a three-year-old child being treated for behavioural problems due to her parents' divorce alleged that the Kellers had sexually abused the child. The child's mother contacted the police, who alerted the case's eventual prosecuting attorney, who contacted a friend whose child was also enrolled in the day care and being treated by the same therapist. During the time leading up to the trial, two other children from the day care offered similar accusations. According to the children, the couple served blood-laced Kool-Aid and forced them to have videotaped sex with adults and other children. The Kellers, they said, sometimes wore white robes and lit candles before hurting them. The children also accused the Kellers of forcing them to watch or participate in the killing and dismemberment of cats, dogs and a crying baby. Bodies were unearthed in cemeteries and new holes dug to hide freshly killed animals and, once, an adult passer-by was shot and dismembered with a chain saw. The children recalled several plane trips, including one to Mexico, where they were sexually abused by soldiers before returning to Austin in time to meet their parents at the day care.[1]
An adult, who had recently claimed to have recovered memories of childhood ritual abuse, claimed the abuse was an example of satanic ritual abuse, and parents began to contact each other, eventually launching a legal case. With information gathered from Believe the Children, an organization created by the parents involved in the earlier McMartin preschool trial, children enrolled in the Kellers's daycare were repeatedly questioned by parents, therapists and law enforcement officers as part of the investigation.
Suspicion expanded to include public officials, including police officers; one officer's ex-husband was interrogated for several hours and submitted to two polygraph tests, eventually confessing child, but not ritual, abuse; although he retracted the confession the following morning. Following this confession, the Kellers fled the state, later explaining that their decision was based on the draconian sentences imposed on other, similarly-accused day care providers. The children were diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder.[2]
The Kellers faced a six-day trial. The first child, whose testimony began the investigation against the Kellers, claimed that no abuse had actually taken place, but she had been coached to claim that abuse had occurred. The only physical evidence of abuse in the case was presented by Dr. Michael Mouw, an emergency room physician at Brackenridge Hospital who examined the 3-year-old girl in 1991 on the night she first accused Dan Keller of abuse. Mouw testified at the Kellers' trial that he found two tears in the girl's hymen consistent with sexual abuse and determined that the injuries were less than 24 hours old. Three years after the trial, while attending a medical seminar, Mouw said a slide presentation on "normal" pediatric hymens included a photo that was identical to what he had observed in the girl.[1][3]
The Kellers were found guilty and given sentences of 48 years each.
Fran Keller went to a prison near Marlin, Texas while Dan Keller went to a prison near Amarillo, Texas.
[vidhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inkSTc6kCJ0
youre just jealous they did molest you as well as they allegedly molested those kids -
2017-09-22 at 1:11 AM UTC
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2017-09-22 at 1:12 AM UTCit probably didn't happen; false memory syndrome and the wave of accusations acting as support for new accusations was a big thing in the 80s and 90s, most have been overturned as it sounds like this one probably should be
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2017-09-22 at 1:13 AM UTC
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2017-09-22 at 1:16 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra it probably didn't happen; false memory syndrome and the wave of accusations acting as support for new accusations was a big thing in the 80s and 90s, most have been overturned as it sounds like this one probably should be
hundreds of kids said the same thing? hmmmm... well I think mr ted gunderson head of the fbi, ashton doocher, putin, and corey haim all would totally disagree with you about the reality of human sex trafficing especially in the 90's. They've been over turned because the government stranglehold on peedo-gate.
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2017-09-22 at 1:18 AM UTC
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2017-09-22 at 1:24 AM UTC
Originally posted by Bill Krozby hundreds of kids said the same thing? hmmmm… well I think mr ted gunderson head of the fbi, ashton doocher, putin, and corey haim all would totally disagree with you about the reality of human sex trafficing especially in the 90's. They've been over turned because the government stranglehold on peedo-gate.
not sex trafficking specifically - as best I can tell that's been happening at roughly the same level for the last few decades (this is completely different). I'm talking about the epidemic of 'satanic sexual abuse' that was observed in the US in that period; it was originally fueled by psychiatrists misusing 'truth drugs' and questionable regression therapies where kids would 'remember' things that had been suggested to them or that they'd seen in horror movies.
After the accusations started becoming common, the paranoia that there was a 'secret satanic paedo underground' drove people to believe new claims with very little evidence, leading to many, many convictions that were later overturned due to lack of evidence or even evidence proving innocence being ignored.
In this case it looks like the only hard evidence that it happened was the doctor certifying that the girl had been raped, but given that he later said that a picture of an 'intact' hymen looked like the one he'd previously certified as 'destroyed by rape' it really casts doubt on whether he was qualified to make that call in the first place. -
2017-09-22 at 1:25 AM UTC
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2017-09-22 at 1:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra not sex trafficking specifically - as best I can tell that's been happening at roughly the same level for the last few decades (this is completely different). I'm talking about the epidemic of 'satanic sexual abuse' that was observed in the US in that period; it was originally fueled by psychiatrists misusing 'truth drugs' and questionable regression therapies where kids would 'remember' things that had been suggested to them or that they'd seen in horror movies.
After the accusations started becoming common, the paranoia that there was a 'secret satanic paedo underground' drove people to believe new claims with very little evidence, leading to many, many convictions that were later overturned due to lack of evidence or even evidence proving innocence being ignored.
In this case it looks like the only hard evidence that it happened was the doctor certifying that the girl had been raped, but given that he later said that a picture of an 'intact' hymen looked like the one he'd previously certified as 'destroyed by rape' it really casts doubt on whether he was qualified to make that call in the first place.
interesting I will have to look into it more. -
2017-09-22 at 1:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I was just joking based on the weird phrasing, not sure why you'd want to bring that up to be honest
well just to point out that stuff is more common than you think, i assumed you were totally dismissing most things like that happening to kids.
But the thing is i'm guessing you didn't read all the post of or see the vid, but they did uncover mutilated animal bodies and bodies and evidence near the site of the day care. -
2017-09-22 at 1:37 AM UTC
Originally posted by Bill Krozby interesting I will have to look into it more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse#United_States
overview of what happened
I'm not saying kids don't get molested or even that sometimes people do it in a mental religious context, but the 'epidemic' of satanic sexual abuse in the 80s and 90s seems to be more hysteria than anything else, and given the way the case in the OP was handled it sounds like it might well fit in the same category -
2017-09-22 at 1:38 AM UTC
Originally posted by Bill Krozby But the thing is i'm guessing you didn't read all the post of or see the vid, but they did uncover mutilated animal bodies and bodies and evidence near the site of the day care.
didn't watch the video, butThe children also accused the Kellers of forcing them to watch or participate in the killing and dismemberment of cats, dogs and a crying baby. Bodies were unearthed in cemeteries and new holes dug to hide freshly killed animals and, once, an adult passer-by was shot and dismembered with a chain saw. The children recalled several plane trips, including one to Mexico, where they were sexually abused by soldiers before returning to Austin in time to meet their parents at the day care.[1]
I read that as the kids accused them of digging up bodies and killing animals, not that police had actually found them -
2017-09-22 at 1:49 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse#United_States
overview of what happened
I'm not saying kids don't get molested or even that sometimes people do it in a mental religious context, but the 'epidemic' of satanic sexual abuse in the 80s and 90s seems to be more hysteria than anything else, and given the way the case in the OP was handled it sounds like it might well fit in the same category
maybe you're right and I'll look more into it, but if that stuff with the psychiatrist misusing drugs and suggesting shit, that's bizarre on its own and opens up a whole nother can of worms. -
2017-09-22 at 2 AM UTC
Originally posted by Bill Krozby maybe you're right and I'll look more into it, but if that stuff with the psychiatrist misusing drugs and suggesting shit, that's bizarre on its own and opens up a whole nother can of worms.
yup... using psychiatry and chemicals to reliably recover memories is considered impossible with current tech, but it was popular back then. apparently there are still some holdouts because even though the therapies are considered ineffective by the APA and whoever else, there's nothing actually stopping therapists from trying them.
https://psmag.com/social-justice/dangerous-idea-mental-health-93325 -
2017-09-22 at 4:24 AM UTCI hope it didn't happen because I don't like puppy wuppies and kitty bitties being mutilated.
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