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Ayy lmao, a friend of mine broke both arms while mountain biking.
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2017-08-18 at 10:06 PM UTCDetermined free will. What's so complicated about it?
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2017-08-18 at 11:48 PM UTC
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2017-08-18 at 11:58 PM UTCThe answer is we have no way of knowing one way or the other, and both of you are retarded faggots for arguing about something which is unfalsifiable for this long.
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2017-08-19 at 12:02 AM UTCThis has been debated for thousands of years and still is today and is a controversial subject. Nobody is going to find or assert the definitive answer on a site called Niggas In Space. You're just jerking each other off.
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2017-08-19 at 12:05 AM UTC
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2017-08-19 at 12:06 AM UTC
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2017-08-19 at 12:11 AM UTCNo.
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2017-08-19 at 12:24 AM UTC
Originally posted by LegalizeSpiritualDiscovery The answer is we have no way of knowing one way or the other, and both of you are retarded faggots for arguing about something which is unfalsifiable for this long.
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2017-08-19 at 12:48 AM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Because magic isn't real, cause and effect are. Your internal processes might be very complex but still follow the same rules as the rest of reality.
What are you even babbling about? I'm not going to talk you through the basics of agency.Say you had a choice between red and blue, you pick blue, I ask you why, you say because you like blue it's what you desired, I ask you why do you like blue, you say I don't know why I just do. Well if you don't know why you like it how is this desire something that you freely willed? At what point did 2nd order reasoning occur?
If 2nd order reasoning didn't occur, then it's not a free action. That is a tautological fact if we accept the premise that without at least second order reasoning, it is at least not a free action.
Imagine you told me to pick between red and blue, and I thought about what to pick and picked blue because I associate it positively with the New York Giants, that is second order reasoning. You have willed what you willed. Maybe your original will is not free, but the will it willed is free as a result. But the reasoning behind second order reasoning qualifying it is a completely separate can of worms that I don't want to open when I can't get you to see the basic fact that determinism is not in conflict with compatibilism, it is literally a semantic falsehood, compatibilism is an extension of determinism, by definition. What you are arguing for is not determinism. It is incompatibilism.I mean this is how all our behavior works. If you think about any action, any desire, or any thought deep enough, it becomes clear that you don't really know why you do anything. If you don't know why you are doing something, how is it possibly something you are freely choosing?
I'm so glad you said this! Because let's agree (which we do) that you did not author that thought that just "emerged", and it is not a free impulse. Could you imagine that the way that bounces around inside the system you call your body (i.e. higher order reasoning), is a response to, but not an effect of, that thought?
If you read any part of this post and not the rest, it should be this.Give me an example of a person with free will.
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2017-08-19 at 12:55 AM UTC
Originally posted by Falco Anyone engaging in higher order reasoning. Like us right now.
Higher order reasoning is not an example of free will. You are not engaging in higher order reasoning because you are freely choosing to. You are doing so because at this moment you are compelled to and could not possibly do otherwise. What is free about that? -
2017-08-19 at 12:58 AM UTCPUSH HIM
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2017-08-19 at 12:59 AM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Higher order reasoning is not an example of free will. You are not engaging in higher order reasoning because you are freely choosing to. You are doing so because at this moment you are compelled to and could not possibly do otherwise. What is free about that?
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2017-08-19 at 1:05 AM UTC
Originally posted by Falco Could you imagine that the way that bounces around inside the system you call your body (i.e. higher order reasoning), is a response to, but not an effect of, that thought?
No, I cannot. Response is an effect. The way things "bounce around inside of you" is not something you are freely choosing any more than the thought is.
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2017-08-19 at 1:07 AM UTC
Originally posted by LegalizeSpiritualDiscovery This has been debated for thousands of years and still is today and is a controversial subject. Nobody is going to find or assert the definitive answer on a site called Niggas In Space. You're just jerking each other off.
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2017-08-19 at 8:32 AM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind No, I cannot. Response is an effect.
Well then you are just dumb my man. The input of a painting to you, to me, and to anyone else is completely different because the only does not solely determine the output.The way things "bounce around inside of you" is not something you are freely choosing any more than the thought is.
Wrong, but again, you are smokescreening; I didn't ask you if it was free. My contention is that the system overall is free. I'm asking you if one element of it can be said to have an internal proximal cause.Answer my question.
Will shit negro, I've answered it a billion times already. -
2017-08-19 at 5:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by Falco Well then you are just dumb my man. The input of a painting to you, to me, and to anyone else is completely different because the only does not solely determine the output.
Wrong, but again, you are smokescreening; I didn't ask you if it was free. My contention is that the system overall is free. I'm asking you if one element of it can be said to have an internal proximal cause.
Will shit negro, I've answered it a billion times already.
The way you feel about a painting may be different than the way the painting makes anyone else feel, but that is because the structure of your brain has been shaped uniquely due to various factors over the entire course of your life. Nothing about the way a painting makes you feel has anything to do with free will. -
2017-08-20 at 2:15 AM UTCShove Him
