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2017-07-23 at 5:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon Oh and whether or not slavery was more profitable (it was) doesn't matter; it was the main mode of production for the US's primary economic driver, cotton farming. Either way, it was slavery that supplied 60% of the US's export earnings before the civil war. Slavery built the US.
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2017-07-23 at 5:38 PM UTC
Originally posted by fag And who fed the slaves? Indentured servants that got worked to death half the time that nobody gives a fuck about. Over one half of the European immigrants that came to america were indentured servants. Most of the slaves from africa went to the middle east, and you know why there aren't any black people bitching about racism in the middle east? castration.
Seriously, leftists oversimplifying history and then calling autism mental retardation, this is why trump won.
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2017-07-23 at 5:44 PM UTCI'm saying you are oversimplifying history and that is relevant.
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2017-07-23 at 6:02 PM UTC
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2017-07-23 at 6:58 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon The slaves work for free. Gratis. They are not entitled to any pay, and they cannot walk away. Feeding them is simply an efficiency decision made by the owner.
i was gonna change the word feeding into paying and then just give you a ftfy. however i want to point out that slaves can and do escape. they have little property to worry about leaving it behind. he can just hop foot it at a moments notice. the worker on the other hand has a home, which he has invested in. he might have family, kids that go to school, a little bit of comfort and small little taste of the good life. switching that for uncertain life on the road is a way tougher chain to break than some shitty iron chain. mental chains are what modern slavery is all about. don't worry tho, i can understand how hard it is for you to shatter the reality that you have spent so much time getting used to. enjoy the bubble man.
Originally posted by Captain Falcon Oh and whether or not slavery was more profitable (it was) doesn't matter; it was the main mode of production for the US's primary economic driver, cotton farming. Either way, it was slavery that supplied 60% of the US's export earnings before the civil war. Slavery built the US.
i know, i agree 100%. but i'm also pointing out that the US(as well as most nations) is still currently reliant on 'slaves' as the main mode of production. if you don't think you are a slave then don't go in for two weeks, don't call or anything, just don't show up. i mean you are your own man right? you make the decisions on what you do from one moment to the next, one day to the next? you're in total control of your destiny right??
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2017-07-23 at 7 PM UTCYou should really consider making the OP a gangster rap song.
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2017-07-23 at 7:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist i was gonna change the word feeding into paying and then just give you a ftfy. however i want to point out that slaves can and do escape. they have little property to worry about leaving it behind. he can just hop foot it at a moments notice. the worker on the other hand has a home, which he has invested in. he might have family, kids that go to school, a little bit of comfort and small little taste of the good life. switching that for uncertain life on the road is a way tougher chain to break than some shitty iron chain. mental chains are what modern slavery is all about. don't worry tho, i can understand how hard it is for you to shatter the reality that you have spent so much time getting used to. enjoy the bubble man.
What is more difficult:
- Handing in a resignation and searching for a new job while dealing with the financial strain of frictional unemployment
- Breaking your chains and escaping in the freezing night while being hunted by packs of dogs and keepers, who are legally allowed to kill you. Then once you escape the estate and your pursuers give up for a while, walking barefoot across Louisiana in the freezing cold and baking heat for months, over hundreds of miles, knowing that any contact with civilization till you reach a free state (after the point in history when those became "a thing") or Canada, that you risked being carted back off to your legal owners, who could kill you are make your life into eternal torment.i know, i agree 100%. but i'm also pointing out that the US(as well as most nations) is still currently reliant on 'slaves' as the main mode of production. if you don't think you are a slave then don't go in for two weeks, don't call or anything, just don't show up. i mean you are your own man right? you make the decisions on what you do from one moment to the next, one day to the next? you're in total control of your destiny right??
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2017-07-23 at 7:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Falcon What is more difficult:
- Handing in a resignation and searching for a new job while dealing with the financial strain of frictional unemployment
- Breaking your chains and escaping in the freezing night while being hunted by packs of dogs and keepers, who are legally allowed to kill you. Then once you escape the estate and your pursuers give up for a while, walking barefoot across Louisiana in the freezing cold and baking heat for months, over hundreds of miles, knowing that any contact with civilization till you reach a free state (after the point in history when those became "a thing") or Canada, that you risked being carted back off to your legal owners, who could kill you are make your life into eternal torment.
You don't seem to understand the distinction between a difference of kind and a difference of degree.
you don't seem to understand the distinction between having something to lose and not having anything to lose.
which is prolly why you cannot get your head around this.
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2017-07-23 at 8:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist you don't seem to understand the distinction between having something to lose and not having anything to lose.
which is prolly why you cannot get your head around this.
You are a retard.
I'll shut you down with a self evident truth again; if hiring free men was more profitable/desirable, they would have done so. -
2017-07-23 at 8:18 PM UTC
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2017-07-23 at 8:20 PM UTCyou do know that presently the average CEO earns 49x what the average worker in his company earns, and can be as high as 200x. i'm guessing you're not factoring this into your argument.
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2017-07-23 at 10:21 PM UTC
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2017-07-23 at 10:22 PM UTC
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2017-07-23 at 11:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by Malice And if you're referring to autism as a mental illness, it is not, it's a neurological disorder/deviation.
What exactly is your definition of mental illness that a disorder in social interaction doesn't qualify as such?Okay, I'll admit I wasn't clear and misspoke. Yes, of course at the time it was a substantial part of the economy, economic frictions are a standard part of economic theory, no one would argue that afterward they weren't bound to experience this.
Great, then we agree.1.) Slavery was not necessary for the US's economic development, its development to the point of global dominance.
How exactly do you see the agricultural economy that carried the US from independence to the civil war operating in the absence of slave labor? I mean there wouldn't even have been the population requisite to sustain that economy without african imports and the US was hardly a wealthy country to start with in this period.What exactly are you arguing? Slavery was a non-negligible component of the US economy, therefore it's non-negligible? This is tautological.
I'm arguing slavery was economically important to the fledgling nation, period. You were the one who said it wasn't "pivotal", although you've withdrawn that now apparently, so I don't have any further point. You seem to think I'm trying to turn this into "we should all pay reparations because blacks built this country", probably because that fits nicely into your image of me as some horrible leftist boogeyman, but that's just not the case. You tried to downplay the importance of slavery in the early US economy, I told you you were wrong, that's that.I have it, this is "verbal autism". Yes, I may actually be onto something, something that would be worth writing a paper on. Now, listen to me, the basic outline I have in mind is that the cognitive style that is utilized by those who have an unnaturally high affinity toward computer programming, that is used while actually engaged in the task, can manifest in some via a neurological abnormality that causes them to be unable to normally modulate their cognitive style when engaged in tasks outside of this. Essentially, it's akin to the monomania, the extremely limited talents, that is observed as disproportionately occurring in those on the spectrum. Your were, neurologically, practically born to be unable to excel in anything other than computer programming. The drawback is, as I was leading to via the aforementioned, that this causes you to effectively be unable to function with others in any behavior where this will lead to considerable interference, such as now. Now, I certainly have a rather extreme hyper-systemizing and unemotional cognitive style, but this is different, far more general. Even in your romantic relationships, and you're bound to be completely oblivious as to just how radically you deviate from the norm, which is standard among those suffering from ASD (To be clear, I am not stating you are, simply that you possess a highly limited and rare form that is bound to have a shared or at least similar neurological basis.), I could imagine that everything that occurs in it, your analysis, plans, and actual execution of behavior/output is essentially of the same general style as that which you would use to produce a computer code. Now, you may claim that this is so complex it wouldn't even be feasible, that you don't even possess the knowledge, but that isn't what I'm stating. This has been a part of your being your entire life, since childhood, as demonstrated by your excessive amount of time spent using electronics, including computers, at the expense of social relationships or even simply being in the terrible world you've always known as the "outside", and has continually been developed, enmeshed into every facet of your life, you have learned to utilize it in order to be able to cope with the world, to function, and it has refined itself to the point, its strength growing in line with the natural neurological and cognitive development that occurs, that it has reached the level where it can function to the point where this can be attained. Cognitive functions are naturally largely automatic, of course you wouldn't be aware of it. Now, certainly it would function with total accuracy and efficacy, such a claim would be absurd, it's simply one of many cognitive strategies that could be used, and yours is simply exceedingly rare and abnormal. You possess enough interpersonal understanding and awareness, the general cognitive ability, to know that others perceive you as being strange, to whatever extent, possibly even abnormal, whatever adjective you believe is most commonly ascribed to you, but due to deeply seated introversion, awkwardness, low self esteem, deep insecurity, and fear of a negative perception/appraisal by others IRL it's far less perceptible and you've learned to mask it to some extent.
As I stated right in the second sentence of the above, this is merely a basic outline, and it will require a great amount of research to properly expound upon. I believe I am going to title the paper on this fascinating proposed undiscovered neurological abnormality and case study on you: Ryan Jenkins, the Boy Who Became a Cognitive Computer.
Whoo boy. As always I'm flattered that you try to pull me into your autism camp so as to feel a little less lonely but alas, it's either wish fulfillment or psychological projection, I really don't know which.
As an aside, it may surprise you to learn that the way I talk about the economics of pre-civil-war America on an internet forum and how I interact with my girlfriend are two different things.There are countless aspects of negroism that leftists such as yourself identify with, particularly during the slavery era. It's absolutely no surprise that you persistently engage in this glorification and defense of the black race. It's nothing but negrophilia. The fantasies you're bound to have of being analogous to a modern day slave in our technological-industrial economic system where you sell your labor, believing yourself to be forced into such an arrangement, is so evident it doesn't even deserve expounding upon. I could write one of my elaborate analyses of the fantasy you're bound to regularly retreat to while at work of an uprising against your masters, becoming the acknowledged voluntary leader of a new revolutionary force and finally having an outlet for what you would see as a justifiable exertion of violent force, when in fact it's nothing but part of the array of severe psychological deviations, primarily the psychopathic urge to engage in murder and torture of others, which you've suppressed since your teenage years, possibly even early childhood, but I'm tired and really don't feel in the right cognitive state to do so.
Oh hey, it is the evil leftist fanfic thing. Called it.
P.S. Since you're now apparently hot on co-opting kaczynski into your whole thing, what happened to the moral imperative of creating terminators or evil AI or whatever? -
2017-07-24 at 12:16 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny What exactly is your definition of mental illness that a disorder in social interaction doesn't qualify as such?
Great, then we agree.
How exactly do you see the agricultural economy that carried the US from independence to the civil war operating in the absence of slave labor? I mean there wouldn't even have been the population requisite to sustain that economy without african imports and the US was hardly a wealthy country to start with in this period.
I'm arguing slavery was economically important to the fledgling nation, period. You were the one who said it wasn't "pivotal", although you've withdrawn that now apparently, so I don't have any further point. You seem to think I'm trying to turn this into "we should all pay reparations because blacks built this country", probably because that fits nicely into your image of me as some horrible leftist boogeyman, but that's just not the case. You tried to downplay the importance of slavery in the early US economy, I told you you were wrong, that's that.
Whoo boy. As always I'm flattered that you try to pull me into your autism camp so as to feel a little less lonely but alas, it's either wish fulfillment or psychological projection, I really don't know which.
As an aside, it may surprise you to learn that the way I talk about the economics of pre-civil-war America on an internet forum and how I interact with my girlfriend are two different things.
Oh hey, it is the evil leftist fanfic thing. Called it.
P.S. Since you're now apparently hot on co-opting kaczynski into your whole thing, what happened to the moral imperative of creating terminators or evil AI or whatever?
A succinct "didn't read" would have sufficed.
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2017-07-24 at 1:26 AM UTC
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2017-07-24 at 2:24 AM UTC
the Boy Who Became a Cognitive Computer
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