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question about eating lsd
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2017-07-06 at 8:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic Here's a source from UCSB also stating that hydrochloric acid is a strong acid, and dissociates full in water:
http://clas.sa.ucsb.edu/staff/Resource%20folder/Chem109ABC/Acid,%20Base%20Strength/Table%20of%20Acids%20w%20Kas%20and%20pKas.pdf
in water lol.
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2017-07-06 at 9:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by 霍比特人 Christ.
http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=BATE&right=dissociation_constants
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation_constant
When they say STRONG vs WEAK dissociation on that acid page they aren't talking about how much of the compound dissociates but rather the ability a compound has to dissociate into its base parts. If you keep reading the next few paragraphs of what you linked you'd see that. Like ABC turning into AB + C instead of A + B + C. Get it?
Dissociation constant is about how well it actually dissociates and does not have to do with what its dissociating into. It's about stability. We can measure this, again, by the PKA value which I just linked you to.
And this is to say nothing for the binding constant.
And the pka value listed on the page you cite is less than -1.74, making it a strong acid, which means that it is completely dissociated in an aqueous solution, as the wikipedia article states.
And lol, I know what the dissociation constant is, it obviously doesn't have anything to do with what it's dissociating into. I never and no one would ever claim that, that's fucking retarded. The composition of the acid determines what it dissociates into.
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2017-07-06 at 9:06 PM UTC
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2017-07-06 at 9:06 PM UTCAnd you also apparently didn't know that this whole time when I was referring to an aqueous solution that I was referring to HCl in water?
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2017-07-06 at 9:16 PM UTCThis thread is now about how stupid the other guy is.
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2017-07-06 at 9:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL This thread is now about how stupid the other guy is.
It's not even stupidity, it's straight arrogance. Outright refusal to acknowledge the truth. When wikipedia, every university, and every online resource you can find says one thing and someone flat out repeatedly contradicts that without being able to provide any sort of evidence ("you're dumb and need to read more" does nothing to prove your point, and is what people say when they know they can't back up the bs they are spewing), it's just straight arrogance.
He's not actually that dumb, his ego just will not allow him to admit he's wrong, even in the face of absolute proof. -
2017-07-06 at 9:38 PM UTCThe fact remains that LSD does not degrade when it enters the stomach because there is no significant amount of chlorine.
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2017-07-06 at 9:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by 霍比特人 The fact remains that LSD does not degrade when it enters the stomach because there is no significant amount of chlorine.
Ok, well at least I got you to actually SAY something, now why is it that you say there is no significant amount of chlorine in the stomach? Because as I see it, the facts are that
1. HCl is a strong acid
2. Strong acids completely dissociate in an aqueous solution, which should be the case in the stomach
So what are you saying happens to these chlorine ions? Because the above two facts are indisputable. -
2017-07-06 at 9:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic It's not even stupidity, it's straight arrogance. Outright refusal to acknowledge the truth. When wikipedia, every university, and every online resource you can find says one thing and someone flat out repeatedly contradicts that without being able to provide any sort of evidence ("you're dumb and need to read more" does nothing to prove your point, and is what people say when they know they can't back up the bs they are spewing), it's just straight arrogance.
He's not actually that dumb, his ego just will not allow him to admit he's wrong, even in the face of absolute proof.
the thing is pal that your arguing for the case that LSD shouldn't be able to pass through the stomach. §m£ÂgØL is arguing it can. we all know it can tho. based on that, even tho i don't pretend to know the chemistry, i'm gonna have to declare §m£ÂgØL the winner. nigga points go to §m£ÂgØL in this fred.
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2017-07-06 at 9:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist the thing is pal that your arguing for the case that LSD shouldn't be able to pass through the stomach. §m£ÂgØL is arguing it can. we all know it can tho. based on that, even tho i don't pretend to know the chemistry, i'm gonna have to declare §m£ÂgØL the winner. nigga points go to §m£ÂgØL in this fred.
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2017-07-06 at 9:48 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist the thing is pal that your arguing for the case that LSD shouldn't be able to pass through the stomach. §m£ÂgØL is arguing it can. we all know it can tho. based on that, even tho i don't pretend to know the chemistry, i'm gonna have to declare §m£ÂgØL the winner. nigga points go to §m£ÂgØL in this fred.
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Also your opinion doesn't really matter, the rest of the scientific community and anyone who has taken more than one chemistry class knows what a strong acid is and does. -
2017-07-06 at 9:49 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic And you also apparently didn't know that this whole time when I was referring to an aqueous solution that I was referring to HCl in water?
Originally posted by greenplastic 1. HCl is a strong acid
2. Strong acids completely dissociate in an aqueous solution, which should be the case in the stomach
correct me if i'm wrong, but you're talking about putting hydrochloric acid into a solution of already hydrochloric acid and water? so basically just adding even more HCL to water.
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2017-07-06 at 9:51 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist correct me if i'm wrong, but you're talking about putting hydrochloric acid into a solution of already hydrochloric acid and water? so basically just adding even more HCL to water.
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You are wrong. Hydrochloric acid is hydrogen chloride dissolved in water. The water pulls apart the hydrogen and chlorine into ions. -
2017-07-06 at 9:53 PM UTCYou STILL do not understand dissociation constant. I've already explained it. That HCl is a strong acid has no bearing on the propensity for it to dissociate as an action.
And like I said earlier, it is CHLORIDE not chlorine. Stop calling them 'chlorine ions' because they aren't the same thing. -
2017-07-06 at 10 PM UTCi think it depends on the strength of the acid and what what its put on. I've only had a couple times out of all the times ive taken acid be kinda weak. So many factors.
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2017-07-06 at 10:03 PM UTC
Originally posted by 霍比特人 That HCl is a strong acid has no bearing on the propensity for it to dissociate as an action.
I've already given you multiple credible sources that state that what you just wrote is blatantly false.
You also have still not been able to produce any sort of reasoning for your claim.
Once again, "ur dumb and need to read more" is not a valid defense of an opinion (which is what this is, an opinion that is verifiably false). -
2017-07-06 at 10:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic You are wrong. Hydrochloric acid is hydrogen chloride dissolved in water. The water pulls apart the hydrogen and chlorine into ions.
so what is dilute hydrochloric acid then? surely if the water does that to the acid then you couldn't have dilute hydrochloric acid.
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2017-07-06 at 10:06 PM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist so what is dilute hydrochloric acid then? surely if the water does that to the acid then you couldn't have dilute hydrochloric acid.
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Ummm yes you can. It's like if you have a glass of lemonade. You could dilute it with water and you'd still have lemonade, just of a lower concentration. -
2017-07-06 at 10:09 PM UTCOK I don't care dude. You can believe whatever you want. It's not my fault you don't understand basic terminology.
I mean your entire argument could've been trumped with the chlorine/chloride thing to begin with. The fact that you don't understand even that shows how little you understand about chemistry.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-chloride-and-chlorine
I was trying to educate you but you're too stubborn and want to believe your interpretations of what blurbs you're able to comprehend on wikipedia are correct. You fail to realize how your sources don't prove your point.
You're like Bill Krozby who brings up letting a girl pet his cat as a sign he's a good boyfriend. Just totally off the mark here. You aren't even playing on the same field as me boyo -
2017-07-06 at 10:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic Ummm yes you can. It's like if you have a glass of lemonade. You could dilute it with water and you'd still have lemonade, just of a lower concentration.
https://assist.asta.edu.au/sites/assist.asta.edu.au/files/SOP%20Diluting%20concentrated%20hydrochloric%20acid_0.pdf
Yeah sure, just mix water. Lmfao.
