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2017-06-29 at 8:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by 霍比特人 Phenibut is waaaaay safer than benzos though. Just because you didn't have seizures doesn't mean other people don't. Though I agree, its way more than a nootropic. I think it only gets that moniker because vendors who sell nootropics also sell phenibut.
Except for the respiratory depression, how is it safer? Pheni is far more addictive and WDs can kill you, as well. It isn't safer at all. -
2017-06-29 at 8:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by RisiR † Except for the respiratory depression, how is it safer? Pheni is far more addictive and WDs can kill you, as well. It isn't safer at all.
I took just under 1.5 g of phenibut earlier than took 600 mg gabapentin and started hitting the bottle of 100 proof, didn't take much liquor at all to get me to my happy place, I kind of underestimated all that GABA interaction. Two thumbs up.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-06-29 at 8:55 PM UTCThe dangers of benzos and alcohol with no opioid involved are overblown in my opinion, sure you might black out but it still takes a lot to kill you. I used to lick a toothpick and stick it in a vial of phenazepam powder, get it nice and caked up then stirred my liquor with it and downed the shit with no real issues. YMMV of course.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-06-29 at 9:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by Piles of Crack I took just under 1.5 g of phenibut earlier than took 600 mg gabapentin and started hitting the bottle of 100 proof, didn't take much liquor at all to get me to my happy place, I kind of underestimated all that GABA interaction. Two thumbs up.
Piles of Crack, this nigga' Piles of Whack
Fronting drugs shit with Hydro on his sack
And i don't mean to diss your lady mister
But her baby daddy missed her told me:
Get her number then also you can fist her
But i ain't into it, i'd rather spit
Vomit comet verbal diarrhea shit
But wait a bit, everybody sing along
Like her baby daddy did
To a bunch of geese, greasy beaner
No habla inglés? I'll make it easier:
Cállese el hocico y no conteste nada
Se llego la hora mire me a la cara
No se me resista no me de batalla
Vallase al infierno con toda su plaga.
I kind of got side tracked with the whole §m£ÂgØL thing.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-06-29 at 9:13 PM UTCFucking bodybag tho.
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2017-06-29 at 9:13 PM UTCDUIDELIJK
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2017-06-29 at 9:28 PM UTCHop right on that bandwagon, Sophie.
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2017-06-29 at 9:33 PM UTC
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2017-06-29 at 9:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by RisiR † Except for the respiratory depression, how is it safer? Pheni is far more addictive and WDs can kill you, as well. It isn't safer at all.
Benzos hardly have any respiratory depression. You have to take literally tens of thousands of pills by themselves to overdose on them. They're INCREDIBLY safe in that regard. I know the number for xanax OD is somewhere around 75,000 bars. I think diazepam is like 1/3 that or something close. Phenibut has more severe respiratory depression and risk of BP drop.
Phenibut is not 'far more addictive' by any objective standard, and the WD has never been shown to kill anybody. Seizures happen but they aren't common like with benzo wd. The LD50 is 700mg/kg which puts it at about 50 grams for a 72kg/160lbs person.
Phenibut is safer because you can't get fucked up and do stupid shit on it without getting incredibly sick, and the withdrawal won't kill you or give you seizures (probably.) Some people get seizures from actually taking phenibut though but again, its not at all common.
So much for doing research.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-06-29 at 9:51 PM UTC
Originally posted by Piles of Crack The dangers of benzos and alcohol with no opioid involved are overblown in my opinion, sure you might black out but it still takes a lot to kill you. I used to lick a toothpick and stick it in a vial of phenazepam powder, get it nice and caked up then stirred my liquor with it and downed the shit with no real issues. YMMV of course.
I don't think the combo is dangerous so long as you watch your drinking. The idiots who die are the ones who chug with abandon and don't pay attention to their body. -
2017-06-29 at 9:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by RisiR † Except for the respiratory depression, how is it safer? Pheni is far more addictive and WDs can kill you, as well. It isn't safer at all.
It's only more dangerous because the vast majority of people were not and still aren't familiar with the pharmaceutical regimen, instead using one large dose. I mentioned before my experience with this regimen, starting at 250mg 3x and going up to 300mg 3x. The effects increased over time and eventually became so strong that it was considerably more powerful than a single large dose, despite taking half the amount spread out over a day. Dropping down to dosing twice a day at a lower dose probably would have been enough, the effects were excessive at that level. I stopped with a very rapid taper and didn't experience any withdrawals after having used it like this every day for 6-8 weeks. Sploo said he experienced the same lack of withdrawals when using this regimen.
I would say it's far safer if used the way it's meant to be used. -
2017-06-29 at 10:03 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-06-29 at 10:20 PM UTCYea...
I should have pointed out that I meant in combination with other drugs.
I really don't give enough of a shit to pull a bunch of links and studies out of my ass. If you had done your research you would know about the reports by people who claim to get WDs after just a couple days of use. It is recommended to use it 3 times a week max. Benzos are clinically used for a month regulary.
There's a case studie about a dude who got dependent on Pheni but the Pheni protected him from getting dependent on Benzos. Pretty neat but the study is kinda wack.
Anyway, it is more addictive. GABAb downregulation happens a lot faster than witth GABAa. You might be right about the casualties, though.
It is definitely not to be played with.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-06-29 at 10:28 PM UTCHas anyone heard of this before? It sounds cool as fuck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_Fight_Thailand
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2017-06-29 at 10:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by Malice It's only more dangerous because the vast majority of people were not and still aren't familiar with the pharmaceutical regimen, instead using one large dose. I mentioned before my experience with this regimen, starting at 250mg 3x and going up to 300mg 3x. The effects increased over time and eventually became so strong that it was considerably more powerful than a single large dose, despite taking half the amount spread out over a day. Dropping down to dosing twice a day at a lower dose probably would have been enough, the effects were excessive at that level. I stopped with a very rapid taper and didn't experience any withdrawals after having used it like this every day for 6-8 weeks. Sploo said he experienced the same lack of withdrawals when using this regimen.
I would say it's far safer if used the way it's meant to be used.
Have you ever used Benzos as they were meant to be used?
I actually experienced that reverse tolerance thing, as well. No WDs, either. I believe I was only able to crash my Benzo habit so hard in the beginning (from 20mg Meclonazepam, 8-12mg Flubromazepam/Others to 4mg MCZP directly) because of the Phenibut.
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2017-06-29 at 10:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by Malice Has anyone heard of this before? It sounds cool as fuck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_Fight_Thailand
Didn't click but if it's about inmates fighting there way out of prison, yes. I got a shitload of videos. -
2017-06-29 at 10:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by Malice It's only more dangerous because the vast majority of people were not and still aren't familiar with the pharmaceutical regimen, instead using one large dose. I mentioned before my experience with this regimen, starting at 250mg 3x and going up to 300mg 3x. The effects increased over time and eventually became so strong that it was considerably more powerful than a single large dose, despite taking half the amount spread out over a day. Dropping down to dosing twice a day at a lower dose probably would have been enough, the effects were excessive at that level. I stopped with a very rapid taper and didn't experience any withdrawals after having used it like this every day for 6-8 weeks. Sploo said he experienced the same lack of withdrawals when using this regimen.
I would say it's far safer if used the way it's meant to be used.
Damn, that's interesting. Do you have any theories as to why this is? I've never heard anyone say that that sort of regimen was stronger than a single large dose. Right now I take either 1g or 1.5g in the morning. I like doing it this way because I don't like re-dosing. -
2017-06-29 at 11:08 PM UTC
I can't see the time it happens but about a 1/3 into the video a dude gets fucked up real bad, picked up and fucked up again. -
2017-06-29 at 11:09 PM UTC
Originally posted by RisiR † Yea…
I should have pointed out that I meant in combination with other drugs.
I really don't give enough of a shit to pull a bunch of links and studies out of my ass. If you had done your research you would know about the reports by people who claim to get WDs after just a couple days of use. It is recommended to use it 3 times a week max. Benzos are clinically used for a month regulary.
There's a case studie about a dude who got dependent on Pheni but the Pheni protected him from getting dependent on Benzos. Pretty neat but the study is kinda wack.
Anyway, it is more addictive. GABAb downregulation happens a lot faster than witth GABAa. You might be right about the casualties, though.
It is definitely not to be played with.
Ah that makes sense then.
It is more addictive, yes, but I personally think everybody who complains about the severity is a pussy. It isn't as dangerous as benzos in this regard, so for most people the biggest worry is the psychological aspect of the withdrawal. I've at most taken 2.5g-4g daily for 4 or 5 months and it was by far the easiest thing I've ever come off of. I think lots of people complaining about it have anxiety to begin with, come from the nootropic community (and thus don't have much experience with these sort of things) or both.
I think people read about it and think it'll be worse than it really is, then let the anxiety consume them. I'm definitely not alone in this idea either. I cannot fathom how anybody thinks phenibut withdrawal is severe, especially more severe than benzos.
I pretty regularly would take it for a week or two or three (using more days than not) and then just get off it with zero problems. I keep it to once or twice a week now though. -
2017-06-30 at 12:13 AM UTCPhenylpiracetam is pretty good. I couldn't handle it in the past because of the depressive episodes it triggered. I was already severely depressed to the point of being seriously suicidal, constantly having the concept of suicide cross my mind, ruminating on various aspects, so the double dip effect was too much to handle.
Took 100mg then another 100mg at t+:40. Great boost of concentration, cognitive endurance, and mental clarity. General increase in the ability to utilize cognition, so it does effectively make me feel more intelligent. Hmm, also possible I'm feeling the increased cold resistance effect. I was feeling a bit chilly before this, since I woke up. Temperature hasn't increased enough to make a difference since I dosed, but it's harder to gauge this effect since I can't be sure I simply adjusted to it.
It is considered the most powerful racetam, after all.
Post last edited by Malice at 2017-06-30T00:15:16.215424+00:00
