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2017-06-28 at 2:17 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-06-28 at 2:32 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-06-28 at 2:55 AM UTCI AM A HARD CORE FAGGOTThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-06-28 at 3:33 AM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ A lamb, fuzzy and white, grazes the field eating grasses and being merry, when along comes a wolf who pounces on the lamb and starts ripping bits of flesh away from the innocent little fella, the lamb makes horrible noises of agony, and the wolf continues, blood spraying everywhere, intenstines splayed out and chunks of its face scattered about, all the while crying, no longer a happy little lamb, until it dies of blood loss and excruciating pain.
The end
The asymmetry of life. Creatures are born and grow, sometimes close to an entire natural lifetime, countless moments surviving, interacting with their own kind, living.
Then the wolf consumes them. In exchange for a life, for enacting death, it receives pleasure and sustenance that allows it to live for another week. And this repeats throughout its life, countless cycles.
Anti-natalism is a truth. It's easy to forget due to use being at the top, human beings, almost completely removed from such events, safe and protected, sheltered, enjoying our advanced modern society; that regardless of how happy you are, how much you enjoy life, it changes nothing of the suffering of the world around you. At most, for the vast majority, it simply allows them to forget, to cast those thoughts aside, to believe that these aspects of the world aren't as significant, or at least the emotional impact certainly isn't as strong, it allows you to bear it far more easily. Isn't it odd that happiness has this modulating effect, while depression tends to increase compassion, an understanding and fixation on suffering? Think about that. Is human nature truly good, and, in some ways, could happiness be an evil, or at least naturally lead to it?
Happiness aside, which is primarily a separate argument, it was simply an example of a utilitarian asymmetry that is ubiquitous in life. Ecologists may respond that is a necessity to maintain the ecosystem, but if there was no life, if every animal was simply fed birth control, then there would be no need for this to be perpetuated. The earth itself, the combination of all interconnected life, isn't independently conscious, pseudoscience aside. If the greater good of all sentient beings isn't being met, what good is life?
The perpetuation of life simply creates a need where there was no need to exist, the need for joy/happiness, the need for life. A being that does not exist, that has not been brought into life, cannot be deprived of any of this, there is no harm or loss from them never being created, because there is no "them". Desire leads to suffering, the greatest, most ingrained, desires leading to the greatest suffering. The will to live of carnivores, the desire for food, the desire for sex, the evolutionary imperative, arguably the strongest desire that life evolved around, evolved to meet, leads to continuing cycles of life and death, the perpetuation of suffering.
Desire > suffering, even the desire to live. In life it is effectively impossible to avoid harm to other sentient creatures simply by your existence. It is not only suffering from the viewpoint of what you perceive as your individual self, but the chain of causality that ultimately leads to the harm of others.
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2017-06-28 at 3:34 AM UTCu bum sheep to now lambfucker basterd
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2017-06-28 at 3:36 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice The asymmetry of life. Creatures are born and grow, sometimes close to an entire natural lifetime, countless moments surviving, interacting with their own kind, living.
Then the wolf consumes them. In exchange for a life, for enacting death, it receives pleasure and sustenance that allows it to live for another week. And this repeats throughout its life, countless cycles.
Anti-natalism is a truth. It's easy to forget due to use being at the top, human beings, almost completely removed from such events, safe and protected, sheltered, enjoying our advanced modern society; that regardless of how happy you are, how much you enjoy life, it changes nothing of the suffering of the world around you. At most, for the vast majority, it simply allows them to forget, to cast those thoughts aside, to believe that these aspects of the world aren't as significant, or at least the emotional impact certainly isn't as strong, it allows you to bear it far more easily. Isn't it odd that happiness has this modulating effect, while depression tends to increase compassion, an understanding and fixation on suffering? Think about that. Is human nature truly good, and, in some ways, could happiness be an evil, or at least naturally lead to it?
Happiness aside, which is primarily a separate argument, it was simply an example of a utilitarian asymmetry that is ubiquitous in life. Ecologists may respond that is a necessity to maintain the ecosystem, but if there was no life, if every animal was simply fed birth control, then there would be no need for this to be perpetuated. The earth itself, the combination of all interconnected life, isn't independently conscious, pseudoscience aside. If the greater good of all sentient beings isn't being met, what good is life?
The perpetuation of life simply creates a need where there was no need to exist, the need for joy/happiness, the need for life. A being that does not exist, that has not been brought into life, cannot be deprived of any of this, there is no harm or loss from them never being created, because there is no "them". Desire leads to suffering, the greatest, most ingrained, desires leading to the greatest suffering. The will to live of carnivores, the desire for food, the desire for sex, the evolutionary imperative, arguably the strongest desire that life evolved around, evolved to meet, leads to continuing cycles of life and death, the perpetuation of suffering.
Desire > suffering, even the desire to live. In life it is effectively impossible to avoid harm to other sentient creatures simply by your existence. It is not only suffering from the viewpoint of what you perceive as your individual self, but the chain of causality that ultimately leads to the harm of others.
All of life is suffering.
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2017-06-28 at 3:37 AM UTCmalive fuck lamp
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2017-06-28 at 4:01 AM UTCbling, stop spamming you fucking idiot.
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2017-06-28 at 4:02 AM UTC
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2017-06-28 at 4:14 AM UTCMalice, perhaps you think all life is suffering because you live an extremely shitty one. Heaven forbid your miserable existence be the result of poor choices or a lack of responsibility. No, the entire world is designed to be against you.
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2017-06-28 at 4:16 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo Malice, perhaps you think all life is suffering because you live an extremely shitty one. Heaven forbid your miserable existence be the result of poor choices or a lack of responsibility. No, the entire world is designed to be against you.
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2017-06-28 at 4:17 AM UTC
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2017-06-28 at 4:32 AM UTC
Originally posted by Dargo Malice, perhaps you think all life is suffering because you live an extremely shitty one. Heaven forbid your miserable existence be the result of poor choices or a lack of responsibility. No, the entire world is designed to be against you.
So much this. Once you actually focus on life its pretty awesome. Everything shitty in life can be overcome unless you rolled a one on the 20-sided dice of life. But you probably wouldn't have the capability to post here if you did. -
2017-06-28 at 4:51 AM UTC
Originally posted by 霍比特人 So much this. Once you actually focus on life its pretty awesome. Everything shitty in life can be overcome unless you rolled a one on the 20-sided dice of life. But you probably wouldn't have the capability to post here if you did.
Its not about overcoming anything.
Feeling perpetually connected to the suffering of the less fortunate across the globe, is what causes much of my depression, if I'm being honest. -
2017-06-28 at 4:53 AM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ Its not about overcoming anything.
Feeling perpetually connected to the suffering of the less fortunate across the globe, is what causes much of my depression, if I'm being honest.
Either you're telling me the internet causes your depression or you're being more vague than I thought. -
2017-06-28 at 4:53 AM UTC
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2017-06-28 at 5:01 AM UTC
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2017-06-28 at 5:03 AM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ Life is suffering if you're unable to escape the realization of the suffering that surrounds us.
Why does the suffering that surrounds us matter? Why should it have any connection to your own suffering?
Life is life. You can either choose to continue to be or to cease being. And if you choose to continue to be, the only choice you have is to determine how you want to to be; defeated or resilient. To ensure is not to suffer. It's how you choose to respond to your choice ti endure. -
2017-06-28 at 5:15 AM UTCI get what you guys are saying I'm just saying that plays a part in my depression. Obviously I'm not sulking around in misery, I'm just saying there's a part of me that feels guilty for trying to disconnect, in that I feel it's almost my duty to keep in mind, in some cringe form of humility, the less fortunate people and animals. Knowing some of them are suffering in horrible conditions, daily, I just can't ever forget it, and I don't want to.
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2017-06-28 at 5:19 AM UTCThat is so not logical of you mq
